Like this?
You don't care how bad it is?
Wow FD must love people like you
Not a normal game
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As it's a moderation decision I couldn't possibly comment without infringing the forum rules
Sadly, the guy is right. They. Never. Learn.
Or, the devs that did learn are no longer working for Frontier.
Much like this..... most likely the last one. Have seen lots of new faces in last video’s
Mr Swainey
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I don't get it? The guy says he loves EDO hard but it is an undeniably shoddy release. That's not good
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You could always try reporting posts you feel break the rules. Do you know how busy this forum is recentlyAs it's a moderation decision I couldn't possibly comment without infringing the forum rules
True - But you agree that it's incomplete at this point right?
So why not just call it early access, sell it as such on Steam - and let people judge for themselves?
I think they would have made more money and get better reviews.
Instead of people bashing this "complete" product for all its problems - They would say "Yes I know it's early access and have bugs - but look how much they already accomplished!"
I've only got a certain amount of time in the day I can waste when I'm supposed to be workingYou could always try reporting posts you feel break the rules. Do you know how busy this forum is recently
If you've been here long enough you'll know the game has had many rocky moments, but it's always come out ok. It's sad that Frontier's seemingly decided to release despite issues which I'd imagine were reasonably well known about. I suspect some other issues might have come as a bit of a surprise, but I guess we'll never really know.
Things will sort themselves out and once the drama has died down Im sure we'll have a really fun addition to the game.
Things will sort themselves out and once the drama has died down Im sure we'll have a really fun addition to the game.
I am pretty sure the post in question wasn't breaking any rules, it just happened to be the other end of the fanboy spectrum.You could always try reporting posts you feel break the rules. Do you know how busy this forum is recently
Apparently some people are unwilling to see the bad and some people are unwilling to see the good.
I'd like someone to show me one piece of complex software that was bug free at RTM.
Shhhhhhhhhh......meaning go away!You don't care how bad it is?
Wow FD must love people like you
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Agreed. If somebody loves a game, it would be foolish not to care about bugs, sometimes game-breaking bugs, because what incentive (other than complaints AND, particularly, sagging sales) does a publisher have to release games that are as bug-free as is possible?
If people buy bug-ridden crap without complaining, they shouldn't be surprised if that is all they are getting.
There is a difference between disrespectful and offering criticism. The latter actually HELPS, everybody, 'cause that way, the developers rake in more cash (happier customers).
I'll just leave this here.
In the end, they even somehow were let to remaster Sternenschweif (Star Trail for our english DSA players). But the initial impression was horrible, and the usually laid back german fanbase was in a frenzy. This is what happens when you botch the launch of a beloved franchise/game.
Odyssey isn't ambitious and it isn't a good game.
Frontier did a lot of pretty lazy design choices like nerfing damage from ship weapon against human npcs to an absurd weakness instead of giving the surface settlements effective anti ship defence.
That's especial obvious in the ground conflict zone that "the sphere of combat" lacks any kind of attempt to balance between ships, SRVs and human npc soldiers.
Ambitious would be to balance that game loop in a way that hoovering above the settelemt in a ship with dumb fire missle would not be the best choice to play it.
Even Elite Dangerous and Horizions were not ambitious and have been done before - by Frontier Developments with Elite II & Frontier First Encounters.
The difference was that Elite Dangerouse was done well, and Frontier avoided much of the bad features and failures from Elite II & First Encounters (like the realistic, but boring flight mechanics). That's no ambitious, that was good project managment.
Something that Odyssey is clearly lacking.
Such a biowaste narrative. Yes, Elite is (just) a normal video game. The Stellar Forge isn't too different from seeds in Minecraft.
I don't see you this should in any way be a viable excuse for making the decision to release Odyssey in such a state. Some people are such hardcore apologists, I don't see what they are getting out of it.
But what is even the point of this thread? OP proudly proclaimed he won't read any replies anyway. That's not how discussions work. Is this just a troll thread?
I don't see you this should in any way be a viable excuse for making the decision to release Odyssey in such a state. Some people are such hardcore apologists, I don't see what they are getting out of it.
But what is even the point of this thread? OP proudly proclaimed he won't read any replies anyway. That's not how discussions work. Is this just a troll thread?
Well I already paid twice as much because my LEP isn’t yet cost-effective (this is not a complaint, I’m pretty happy with it overall especially with a new expansion) but twice as broken? No thank you.
FD is rightly in hot water over this. It frustrates me to no end, not because I’m dealing with bugs, I don’t give a hoot about that, but because this expansion could have been incredibly popular, it could have brought so many new people to this game I love. Instead people will see it and if they haven’t heard all the bad press they may be excited for a minute until they see the reviews.
We’ve got long-time fans refusing to use the new expansion, our community is fractured, and new players are going to be dissuaded by the sea wall of (accurate) negative reviews. It’s bad, and it’s not just bad for Frontier it’s bad for us. Just because you or I or a moderate number of fans can see past the bugs and get a glimpse of how great this expansion is for the game as a whole doesn’t mean people aren’t justified in saying “I don’t want to spend $40 on something so buggy, that so many people are panning”
I appreciated David’s JFK quote, I know some people did not, but “Never been done before” doesn’t mean they get a pass on saying it was ready to buy and play, when far too much didn’t change from the end of Alpha 4.
I love Odyssey, I’m playing every day, I’m seeing improvements from the hot fixes and I’m downloading update 1 as I write this. But I think being oblivious to why people are upset is as damaging to the Elite community as being unwilling to see the fun and the potential in Odyssey.
I think the most positive thing a fan can do is report bugs, confirm bugs others have reported, and be realistic about what is acceptable. This is no time to have our heads in the sand.
FD is rightly in hot water over this. It frustrates me to no end, not because I’m dealing with bugs, I don’t give a hoot about that, but because this expansion could have been incredibly popular, it could have brought so many new people to this game I love. Instead people will see it and if they haven’t heard all the bad press they may be excited for a minute until they see the reviews.
We’ve got long-time fans refusing to use the new expansion, our community is fractured, and new players are going to be dissuaded by the sea wall of (accurate) negative reviews. It’s bad, and it’s not just bad for Frontier it’s bad for us. Just because you or I or a moderate number of fans can see past the bugs and get a glimpse of how great this expansion is for the game as a whole doesn’t mean people aren’t justified in saying “I don’t want to spend $40 on something so buggy, that so many people are panning”
I appreciated David’s JFK quote, I know some people did not, but “Never been done before” doesn’t mean they get a pass on saying it was ready to buy and play, when far too much didn’t change from the end of Alpha 4.
I love Odyssey, I’m playing every day, I’m seeing improvements from the hot fixes and I’m downloading update 1 as I write this. But I think being oblivious to why people are upset is as damaging to the Elite community as being unwilling to see the fun and the potential in Odyssey.
I think the most positive thing a fan can do is report bugs, confirm bugs others have reported, and be realistic about what is acceptable. This is no time to have our heads in the sand.
I sometimes wonder if people who play this game have ever actually played any other games. The amount of stockholm syndrome around here is crazy.
The idea that Odyssey (and ED in general) is some crazy ambitious project beyond anything attempted before is absurd. The procedurally generated galaxy is certainly really cool (imagine if we actually had fleshed out exploration features!) and it's got a fun flight model (although the yaw/roll thing is stupid and silly for a spaceship) and ship outfitting is neat (although unfortunately unbalanced with far, far too many useless modules). Beyond that it's basically a mediocre MMO (and it's barely an MMO... it's more of a single player game that has all the downsides of a MMO) at best that is lacking content. The game does have enormous potential though - I'm just not sure there's any chance it ever gets there after all these years.
Setting that aside - the "ambition" or lack thereof has nothing to do with the numerous half-baked and semi-broken features that are present even in Horizons..... and it certainly has nothing to do with the lazy/terrible design of some of the game systems (Engineering being the most prominent example - it's barely better than the type of progression systems you find in free to play mobile games).
The attitude in this thread is exactly why things that have been broken for years have never been fixed and probably never will. Until this community gets higher standards the product delivered will continue to be minimum viable in too many ways.
The idea that Odyssey (and ED in general) is some crazy ambitious project beyond anything attempted before is absurd. The procedurally generated galaxy is certainly really cool (imagine if we actually had fleshed out exploration features!) and it's got a fun flight model (although the yaw/roll thing is stupid and silly for a spaceship) and ship outfitting is neat (although unfortunately unbalanced with far, far too many useless modules). Beyond that it's basically a mediocre MMO (and it's barely an MMO... it's more of a single player game that has all the downsides of a MMO) at best that is lacking content. The game does have enormous potential though - I'm just not sure there's any chance it ever gets there after all these years.
Setting that aside - the "ambition" or lack thereof has nothing to do with the numerous half-baked and semi-broken features that are present even in Horizons..... and it certainly has nothing to do with the lazy/terrible design of some of the game systems (Engineering being the most prominent example - it's barely better than the type of progression systems you find in free to play mobile games).
The attitude in this thread is exactly why things that have been broken for years have never been fixed and probably never will. Until this community gets higher standards the product delivered will continue to be minimum viable in too many ways.