Oh well that makes it all alright thenAs someone making YT videos from time to time I can tell you these things take more time than you give them credit for
Has the hysteria died down yet?
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I didn't believe them. I knew they needed a beta and holding stuff back as a surprise has never worked for any software company, it almost always goes belly-up in some regard. So when the problems all hit I wasn't even remotely surprised.
Then hold Frontier to account rather than calling people who had a right to be upset names.
I have, in many comments in this thread including my first post I said they'd completely borked the release and have to work to fix all the problems as quickly as they can. But that doesn't mean I can't also call out the "Kevin the teenager" bridage for being stupid, selfish, and childish. Why should they go scot-free?
I agree with a lot of this, though for me personally, I actually like "bland" over exaggerated NMS worlds, because I like "realism" (IMO most worlds out there are bland IRL). As long as there are some diamonds in the rough for me to find, I'll be happy, and based on screenshots I've seen, this is the case.
Of course I won't fully be able to comment on this subject until I own and test Odyssey for myself. One of the reasons I'm actually interested in trying it is because there's so many extreme opinions on both sides of the fence that it's hard to discern what the actual truth of the matter is without firsthand experience.
I think your assessment of the people complaining as such is derogatory and wrong. Many are industry professionals, often well educated, often middle-aged and even if they were teenagers they have every right to be angry and you calling them names just makes you look bad, not them. You're in the minority here.
I know I'm in the minority, that doesn't matter. People wanna whinge, they have every right to do so. Doesn't mean those of us with sensitive eardrums have to sit through the bilge though. For those with legitimate complaints, which is almost everybody, all power to them I say. If a small minority (which is all I was talking about) want to make spurious and completely untrue claims though that Odyssey will always be like this, and this is what Frontier intended then I'll call them out on it, and if people make completely untrue claims such as Cmdrs Will and Kate did on YouTube and then make no attempt to correct their error, I'll call that out too. All the stupidity and ignorance just diminishes the genuine and important complaints of the majority, and all they do is hurt and game and hurt the player base.
This is one positive side-effect of the console version getting delayed a few months. If the PC people aren't happy by then, the console release will be a non-starter.
Then I think you should amend your original statement because the catch-all way you painted everyone who left a bad review is not what you intended.
I think I was fairly clear. I said...
"the 'immediate reaction' of these people was 'Odyssey is broken, it's unplayable, and this is clearly what the game is, what it was intended to be, and what it always will be'. All this no more than 48 hours after the launch when patches and updates were already incoming, and Frontier had acknowledged the problems."
If people can't be bothered to read a post before replying, I'm not going to pander to them.
You didn't specify and instead called out everyone who left a review on Steam
"stupid, selfish, and childish"? I should expect to receive a broken game when I spend $40. Are you a FDev employee?
No I didn't! I was very clear. Read it again please.
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Within 150 hours, not 24. The release was on the 19th, and the apology came on the 25th, unless I'm mistaken. If not, your lack of knowledge does not bode well for the rest of your argument.
People were brazenly sold an unfinished product for a premium price. They're perfectly entitled to complain, because they've paid for that right. I'm not sure why you think these complaints are a bad idea, unless you fear it could bring down the game, which is stretching things, a tad.But no, this is just what Odyssey was and clearly it was never going to be fixed, and so the thick gobby brigade posted their reviews and messages. It's quite pathetic really. Has it died down yet, as I very quickly switched off so I could read something intelligent instead
But I do know if this release was accepted without complaint, then we would be waiting a lot longer for the fixes to come in. And if this release was accepted without complaint, then who knows what shape the next release would be in.
No I'm someone who has made a good career in tech, has many friends and contacts at some of the largest technology companies on the planet, and who understand how the whole thing works. I highlighted people who claimed "this is clearly what the game is, what it was intended to be, and what it always will be" but nobody else. If other people want to feel swept up in that, I can't do anything about it.
Problem is once you botch a release, it takes a while to regain the trust of the players. Releasing the game ahead of June's financial figures was short term gain for a huge long term loss. By the time the loss is felt, whoever made the decision likely moved on to their next tickbox exercise up the corporate ladder.
On the whole I haven't had that many issues with EOD, but I have not really been interested in the ground combat. I'm an explorer at heart. I'm not that bothered about repeated textures.
That said, the groundswell of negative opinion is legit and Frontier are entirely to blame for it. The gaming industry is chock full of shoddy workmanship, unfinished overpriced products and shady microtransactions. Frontier are just another company who think this is the normal way to do business in the gaming industry. I'm not going to single them out particularly.
The whole industry just needs a shakeup in my opinion.
On the whole I haven't had that many issues with EOD, but I have not really been interested in the ground combat. I'm an explorer at heart. I'm not that bothered about repeated textures.
That said, the groundswell of negative opinion is legit and Frontier are entirely to blame for it. The gaming industry is chock full of shoddy workmanship, unfinished overpriced products and shady microtransactions. Frontier are just another company who think this is the normal way to do business in the gaming industry. I'm not going to single them out particularly.
The whole industry just needs a shakeup in my opinion.
Well your first clause was that it was everyone on steam that left a bad review then you said "As an example" and quoted some hyperbolic kevin the teenager.. thus painting everyone in the original clause as one and the same. I think you should amend that and make it clearer that you DON'T think it was everyone who left a negative response on steam.
I agree, it was a huge mistake on Frontier's part and a perfect example of why the money men should never be allowed to make important policy decisions for a company. It's gonna take a long time for Frontier to regain the goodwill they lost. It'll happen, but this will never be forgotten by the player base.
And again, at NO POINT did I say every review. I said "Reviews on Steam" but you could equally assume I mean the positive ones if you want to be that general about it.
We all know the tone you wrote it in.. at this point we are arguing over semantics. I still think you should be clearer with it though, especially if you are gonna stick by your guns and use inflammatory language