Has the hysteria died down yet?

Old Duck

Old Duck
Greasetrap42 said:
Overall confidence in the company and their ability to deliver a reasonable quality product must have taken a significant hit with customers, partners, and investors.

Even if/when the dust settles this is very bad for any company. It doesn't matter "how well they fix it". They have used up their emotional credit. Surviving another stunt like this is unlikely. This makes their next release that much more difficult.
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Oh I agree. I mean, they could pull off a Hello Games and salvage their image at least with the general public, but I don't think they will.

I just hope they haven't hurt the genre. I would like to think that when it comes to space games, even if Frontier fails,

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out there somewhere, ready to come in and make the game Frontier never could. Someday.. Maybe....

But it's too early to cast bets yet. I'm waiting to see what the state of the game is a month from now before I get too "hysterical" as the OP says.
 

Zimous

Zimous
As of today is no longer my problem. Just got refunded by PayPal, after being rejected by Steam (up yours steam). I will now wait for the game to be actually finished and with real content before buying it, or I'll just wait for it to go on sale for 9.99. Best of luck to you guys!
 

Old Duck

Old Duck
In the OP's defense, I tend to forget that I have half the forum on my ignore list, thus normally I don't see the "hysteria" from either the trolls or the white knights. Sometimes, like just now, I make the mistake of clicking that "show hidden content" button and then I see all the foaming at the mouth the OP is talking about, from BOTH sides of the debate.

Moral of story - ignore the hysterical, literally!
 

klusik

klusik
Cmdr Travers said:
As an example, the "immediate reaction" of these people was "Odyssey is broken, it's unplayable, and this is clearly what the game is, what it was intended to be, and what it always will be". All this no more than 48 hours after the launch when patches and updates were already incoming, and Frontier had acknowledged the problems.
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I did that as well, I admit, but changed my reaction 2 days later, when it was fixed, at least. I didn't write anything as "it is sh..t, don't buy" and stuff, I sincerely believe the game is awesome, the content is cool and so on, it's just messy. And messy is a thing that could be fixed.
 

SSMYT

SSMYT
I'm going to do my part, the problem starts when that rabble, if I repeat, rabble, thinks about the game in general when what he bought is a DLC, a DLC, not a game made from 0, that means that the DLC is changing so many things that the strange thing is that nothing happens, I knew it was going to happen, I reserved it and I'm enjoying it, because you have to think, you don't have to see what it is but what it can be, it is a massive DLC that changes many things about the base game and saying non-constructive criticism of the game because it is going wrong does not help, because the game is perfect, it is the DLC that has problems, don't you like it? do not play it but do not cry because it will be fixed, play what is now called elite dangerous horizon that goes like butter falling through the knife and let the workers work, there are many people in the studio who do not even know how the motor works, It is logical when you create a beast so big that it is capable of predicting a solar system in reality years before it was discovered, I only say one thing, are you a real elite player? stop complaining and be patient, help, report errors ect and if you want do not play it, but giving bad praise to the game in general for a DLC is to be a bit of a rat.
 

Fizzatron

Fizzatron
Bug80 said:
Its been said lots of times but imagine games were like any other product.

Imagine you test drive a car (the "alpha") and it has all kinds of problems like not being able to drive over 10 km/h.
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That's an analogy that really doesn't hold water.. car industry vehicular safety concerns are the same as pushing out a bug free SRV experience lol.

I get what you're getting at, but when people talk about over the top and inflated pearl clutching, this isn't a bad example to hold up.

Everyone gets it, Odyssey has teething troubles, some greater than others, depending on individual cases.. I am not defending that but FDev are working to resolve it. Definitely keep up the pressure to hold them accountable to fix it, but y'all whose panties are permanently in a bunch need to just chill and have patience, or just go back to your SC cult and keep hoping that its problems get fixed and all the extra content gets added before Odyssey really starts to kick into gear.
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
CMDR ZerØ said:
Steam reviews should reflect the current state of the game. What's the point in review scores, which are meant to help people decide whether to buy a game, if they're just saying what the game will be later?

Also, as I stated above, this was released as a "finished" game. Not an alpha or a beta. What's wrong with reviewing it?
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The first reviews of CP2077 were all positive, based on the assumption a day0 patch would fix the piles of obvious issues. It showed indeed reviews should reflect how the product is, not how it might end up.
 

Sunyavadin

Sunyavadin
MacIntoc said:
How do you get review of a game without sucker to buy it ?
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I mean, I'm pretty sure many of the actual professional critics either got a review copy or bought it day one. The latter was always a giveaway in the old days actually, since if a developer snuck a game out without any magazines getting a review copy, it was a pretty good chance they knew it was a stinker. I recall reading a review of Rise of the Robots in a magazine weeks after it released apologising for the fact they'd had to go out and buy a copy the same as anyone else and couldn't publish a review until the next issue was printed.
They sure hadn't been shy about sending out the prerelease PR materials to them in the months before launch though.

Another big red flag was when one outlet got an "Exclusive" review. Like Driv3r. That was a sure sign that they paid them off for a glowing review, leading to scandals like Driv3rgate.
 

Darth Ender

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if you're a real elite player... you should be depressed and frustrated that you care more than fdev about the game.

it's not hysteria to expect updates to actually work and improve... but to some... the repeated victimisation seems to have done its damage.

those who want silence instead of truth while fdev benefits selling the users who don't realize they're buying early access and not real release, i don't get the logic there.... but have patience with the reviews. we're committed to improving the reviews. I'm sure our review team will get out good reviews soon in the coming months.., have faith and patience. we're doing our best to get good reviews out.
 

MacIntoc

MacIntoc
Sunyavadin said:
I mean, I'm pretty sure many of the actual professional critics either got a review copy or bought it day one. The latter was always a giveaway in the old days actually, since if a developer snuck a game out without any magazines getting a review copy, it was a pretty good chance they knew it was a stinker. I recall reading a review of Rise of the Robots in a magazine weeks after it released apologising for the fact they'd had to go out and buy a copy the same as anyone else and couldn't publish a review until the next issue was printed.
They sure hadn't been shy about sending out the prerelease PR materials to them in the months before launch though.

Another big red flag was when one outlet got an "Exclusive" review. Like Driv3r. That was a sure sign that they paid them off for a glowing review, leading to scandals like Driv3rgate.
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It's been at least 10 years there is no more magazine that reviews niche games here 🤷‍♂️
 

[DOOK] Droogie

[DOOK] Droogie
SSMYT said:
I'm going to do my part, the problem starts when that rabble, if I repeat, rabble, thinks about the game in general when what he bought is a DLC, a DLC, not a game made from 0, that means that the DLC is changing so many things that the strange thing is that nothing happens, I knew it was going to happen, I reserved it and I'm enjoying it, because you have to think, you don't have to see what it is but what it can be, it is a massive DLC that changes many things about the base game and saying non-constructive criticism of the game because it is going wrong does not help, because the game is perfect, it is the DLC that has problems, don't you like it? do not play it but do not cry because it will be fixed, play what is now called elite dangerous horizon that goes like butter falling through the knife and let the workers work, there are many people in the studio who do not even know how the motor works, It is logical when you create a beast so big that it is capable of predicting a solar system in reality years before it was discovered, I only say one thing, are you a real elite player? stop complaining and be patient, help, report errors ect and if you want do not play it, but giving bad praise to the game in general for a DLC is to be a bit of a rat.
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Wall of text. Punctuation and paragraphs are your friend.
 

Mogen Teras

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Ian Skippy said:
The first reviews of CP2077 were all positive, based on the assumption a day0 patch would fix the piles of obvious issues. It showed indeed reviews should reflect how the product is, not how it might end up.
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Yeah I think CP2077 is a great example of what is wrong with the professional game critic industry; people are reviewing games based on promises instead of reviewing the game based on how it is at the time of playing.

If your review is banking on the Day 1 patch fixing issues, then don't put out your review until after the Patch goes live and you can see if it did indeed fix things. If it doesn't, rewrite your gd review.
 

vtore7744

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Mogen Teras said:
Yeah I think CP2077 is a great example of what is wrong with the professional game critic industry; people are reviewing games based on promises instead of reviewing the game based on how it is at the time of playing.

If your review is banking on the Day 1 patch fixing issues, then don't put out your review until after the Patch goes live and you can see if it did indeed fix things. If it doesn't, rewrite your gd review.
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I'm not changing my negative review of ED:O until they fix all the issues that matter to me and NOT a day sooner.
 

CMDR ZerØ

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Ian Skippy said:
The first reviews of CP2077 were all positive, based on the assumption a day0 patch would fix the piles of obvious issues. It showed indeed reviews should reflect how the product is, not how it might end up.
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And that's what's wrong atm - those reviews were objectively incorrect. As I said, games should be reviewed as it is currently, not based on nebulous promises of "oh we'll fix it at some point".
 

Fizzatron

Fizzatron
Bug80 said:
OK, fair enough. Maybe I should have used a coffee machine as an example instead.
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Same applies, a badly made coffee machine can cause an electrical fire... We're talking about software here, it is its own thing for better or worse, and I grant you that for the most part, it is for the worst. The best/worst thing about games 'these days' being downloadable and not stuck to being duplicated on tape, disk, CD, DVD or cartridge is that they can be bug fixed and iterated upon. If Odyssey was being duplicated to a physical format in a time when downloadable updates were unavailable there's no way it would have released.. though having said that, my mind recalls Frontier - First Encounters....
 
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