Big Elite Streamers Giving Up On Streaming Elite?

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Fine - in the army - but PEGI ratings and forum rules still prevent me from describing some of the stuff he does with the FPS characters.

By childish attitude I also mean Yamiks makes no account of the fact that the FPS needed a lot of pre-baking. It's not a green field building site. Every lever, every input needed to feed into the BGS - and the BGS needed to be molded to accept it. That means adapting Horizons formed just as large part of this development as the space legs did and that it's entirely understandable why Frontier wanted the basics up and running before adding cyborg bartenders and so on. That's not half baked, it's thorough.
Firstly I want to say, my sense of humour or what I find acceptable, is different than yours and indeed many others. And I respect that.

But there is no escaping the fact that FDev spent two years with a team of some 100+ people, ignoring horizons to bring us this DLC. Matched against what a team of some 10+ dev in 'that other company' have done, adds even more angst to what Fdev delivered.

Now again, you may be happy with what wasd delivered and happy that it will take another 2 years to get right, but it is quite visible now that dare i say a majoority, are not happy. I don't have the new DLC and won't until I see some 'wow, they made it great' type analysis, but what does irlk me, is that Horizons is largely ignored and bugs are still there after some 4 years. When are they going to be addressed?
 
Watching an Elite live stream for "the game" is about as interesting as watching a soccer match. 1.5 hours of nothing with a few seconds of adrenaline. I sometimes watch Astro's live streams, but mostly because he is telling interesting stuff about the game and the Universe, while endlessly scanning planets ;)
Yeah, it's not the best game to watch on stream TBH.

I'm watching as I want to assess the development and likely performance of EDO on my 4yr old rig...EDH ran on ultra at 60 fps with no issues whatsoever, EDO looks like it will cook my PC, lol.
 
There are 463 people watching Elite on Twitch.

There are over 16, 000 watching Escape from Tarkov, my other favorite game, which isn't even a AAA game.

Meanwhile there are 765,456,432,345,567 people watching cat memes, terrible cat memes at best!

YouTube... 99% useless crap but folk watch it 🤷‍♂️
 
There is a lot of good content on youtube, you just have to find it. Some of the guys fixing up electronics are very fine to watch.

But i do find I rapidly bore of most streamers and youtubers. Only a select few are continually watchable. Its a bit like a comedy show. Good for a few series, then its not funny anymore and you move on.

Now where are all those cat videos, they are always good to watch.
 
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Firstly I want to say, my sense of humour or what I find acceptable, is different than yours and indeed many others. And I respect that.

No, you see I don't personally care about the humour aspect of it, funny or not, I don't care. What's annoying is it makes him an untouchable. Frontier CAN'T get into bed with a content exploiter like that .. which he then further exploits, "poor me Frontier didn't give me a free alpha". When he then starts posting untruth as fact (my post above) we start to get into really toxic territory imo.

I guess the only parallel I can draw is when you're having good fun with your mates in the pub, taking the mick. Great .. and I don't just mean it's fine when it's going well, but I kind of do. If one of your mates cuts himself on a glass do you still carry on taking the mick or do you sober up and get him an ambulance? Truth to power is one thing, lack of filter is another.

But there is no escaping the fact that FDev spent two years with a team of some 100+ people, ignoring horizons to bring us this DLC. Matched against what a team of some 10+ dev in 'that other company' have done, adds even more angst to what Fdev delivered.

That's a bit off topic but - though I don't think Frontier have had their finest hour - I think it is probably also true to say that smaller creative organisations have less turmoil, when all your management structures are thown in the air by a pandemic. Frontier has grown in recent years so there's little doubt many staff (none of the current CM team for example) have not been around for any ED release before but people in small companies tend to have more personal agency and flexibility than you can afford in a larger organistaion.

On top of that I happen to be really enjoying EDO. Don't particularly want to see that brought down by people who benefit from jumping to conclusions, give false information or who are attacking other people's livelihoods for the sake of one minute's giggles.
 
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To be fair watching ED stream is as entertaining as watching paint dry.
Streaming ED is very difficult as the game is mostly about space travel and there is not much you can do if you need to travel through space, that’s why I rarely stream ED, just too much idle time.
 
No, you see I don't personally care about the humour aspect of it, funny or not, I don't care. What's annoying is it makes him an untouchable. Frontier CAN'T get into bed with a content exploiter like that .. which he then further exploits, "poor me Frontier didn't give me a free alpha". When he then starts posting untruth as fact (my post above) we start to get into really toxic territory imo.

I guess the only parallel I can draw is when you're having good fun with your mates in the pub, taking the mick. Great .. and I don't just mean it's fine when it's going well, but I kind of do. If one of your mates cuts himself on a glass do you still carry on taking the mick or do you sober up and get him an ambulance? Truth to power is one thing, lack of filter is another.



That's a bit off topic but - though I don't think Frontier have had their finest hour - I think it is probably also true to say that smaller creative organisations have less turmoil, when all your management structures are thown in the air by a pandemic. Frontier has grown in recent years so there's little doubt many staff (none of the current CM team for example) have not been around for any ED release before but people in small companies tend to have more personal agency and flexibility than you can afford in a larger organistaion.

On top of that I happen to be really enjoying EDO. Don't particularly want to see that brought down by people who benefit from jumping to conclusions, give false information or who are attacking other people's livelihoods for the sake of one minute's giggles.
That's fair enough. Again, you have your view, other's have theirs.

I really can't subscibe to the 'pandemic' reasoning. I was up and working from home within a week of this thing, as were some 5000 other employees. Now apparently, FDev have made a lot of millions last 2019/2020 so they too, were in a position to do the same. So using Pandemic is non-runner. If Dev failed to plan they planned to fail.

It also brings to mind the fact that we never told exactly what was going to be delivered. It was always side-stepped. That in itself, was alarming.

I would subscibe to there possibly being too many chiefs and not enough indians, maybe. But it also seems to me, that the chiefs' decisions need to be questioned if that is the case. From my years of playing Elite, I would say, MVP is the oprder of the day in all they do. Why use code if you can use 'random'.. There is, in my opinion a whole heap of the 'game is too big' to fail.. 'the community will keep us running, if we moderate the negatives'...

In my mind, FDev management need to take a step back, admit their failures and present a reasonable plan of action, not the recent 'sprint cycle' they presented last week. Cause, right now it appears things are being put on the long finger in the name of 'consoles'... We signed upfor a PC game..

As for your enjoyment, I'm glad someone is enjoying it, many are not.

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The pandemic is really not an excuse. Any developer will tell you that they are just as (if not more) productive since we were all 'forced' to work from home.

Low wages, high house/rent prices in Cambridge, and shared housing with no adequate space for individuals to work is why FDev have cited the pandemic as an obstacle to getting development done.

But for (before Odyssey hit) a £1bn valued company, that's really on them. 🤷‍♀️ The release should have been delayed, but we all know why it wasn't.
 
The pandemic is really not an excuse. Any developer will tell you that they are just as (if not more) productive since we were all 'forced' to work from home.
That is so not true. This developer will tell you!

It depends on the team dynamic and their home environment. It might be fine for a single dev working from home with their own private office/study but what about those with families that have to multi-task or share the kitchen table, or the internet is dodgy in their area. It has highlighted the usefulness of an office environment to me. Zoom is not a replacement.

The pandemic has had an effect and people should acknowledge that. I know it's seen as an over used excuse by some people but come on 127,841 (by todays figures) people have already died in the UK because of it (that almost three times as many as the blitz).
 
It depends on the team dynamic and their home environment. It might be fine for a single dev working from home with their own private office/study but what about those with families that have to multi-task or share the kitchen table, or the internet is dodgy in their area. It has highlighted the usefulness of an office environment to me. Zoom is not a replacement.
100% agree with this part of your comment.
 
That is so not true. This developer will tell you!

It depends on the team dynamic and their home environment. It might be fine for a single dev working from home with their own private office/study but what about those with families that have to multi-task or share the kitchen table, or the internet is dodgy in their area. It has highlighted the usefulness of an office environment to me. Zoom is not a replacement.

The pandemic has had an effect and people should acknowledge that. I know it's seen as an over used excuse by some people but come on 127,841 (by todays figures) people have already died in the UK because of it (that almost three times as many as the blitz).
This pandemic is unprecedented in our life times, with the last one being the Spanish flu. What we do not know is how much remote working Frontier supported before it hit; when I was looking at their careers page a while ago I saw the comment "we do not support remote working" or words to that effect. This may have changed in the interceding years but given the player engagement approach is from the "everything is top secret" 1990s, I cannot see that having changed significantly (those poor souls having to monitor the ED servers out of UK working time notwithstanding).

As such, there could have been quite a significant initial loss of productivity as the pandemic hit.
 
That is so not true. This developer will tell you!

It depends on the team dynamic and their home environment. It might be fine for a single dev working from home with their own private office/study but what about those with families that have to multi-task or share the kitchen table, or the internet is dodgy in their area. It has highlighted the usefulness of an office environment to me. Zoom is not a replacement.

The pandemic has had an effect and people should acknowledge that. I know it's seen as an over used excuse by some people but come on 127,841 (by todays figures) people have already died in the UK because of it (that almost three times as many as the blitz).

I think you are missing my point somewhat. I'm a developer too, not single, have a family... and yes, I have a private office/study (actually a shed in the garden) because the companies I've worked at have allowed me to afford this.

I'm not suggesting for a minute it has no effect (speaking as someone who has lost family members to Covid), but if FDev were serious about it they would find a way to support their people to work from home more effectively. Starting with paying a commiserate wage appropriate to the area they operate in (Cambridge). But there are other ways too. It's not like they are a tiny company with no money.

After the pandemic, I'm in no rush to return to an office environment and a tortuous daily commute. I don't know many devs who are (and I know a lot of devs). YMMV of course. 🤷‍♀️
 
I think you are missing my point somewhat. I'm a developer too, not single, have a family... and yes, I have a private office/study (actually a shed in the garden) because the companies I've worked at have allowed me to afford this.

I'm not suggesting for a minute it has no effect (speaking as someone who has lost family members to Covid), but if FDev were serious about it they would find a way to support their people to work from home more effectively. Starting with paying a commiserate wage appropriate to the area they operate in (Cambridge). But there are other ways too. It's not like they are a tiny company with no money.

After the pandemic, I'm in no rush to return to an office environment and a tortuous daily commute. I don't know many devs who are (and I know a lot of devs). YMMV of course. 🤷‍♀️
Many people will change their working habits post COVID.
 
Many people will change their working habits post COVID.

I certainly hope so. Nothing puts me off a company more than reading their careers pages and seeing "no remote working". It's an outmoded concept and technology has moved on to the point that, yes, Zoom and Teams are an effective substitute if used properly.

The fact that it's been forced upon people is probably the one good societal change that has come out of the pandemic IMO.
 
I certainly hope so. Nothing puts me off a company more than reading their careers pages and seeing "no remote working". It's an outmoded concept and technology has moved on to the point that, yes, Zoom and Teams are an effective substitute if used properly.

The fact that it's been forced upon people is probably the one good societal change that has come out of the pandemic IMO.
Well many companies realized that remote working saved them money in many occasions, and will probably support it going forward.
 
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