Big Elite Streamers Giving Up On Streaming Elite?

[Martind Forlon]

Umm star citizen is an alpha with bugs and issues EDO is a fully released game with the same or worse issues.....that could be one reason people are complaining about elite and not so much about star citizen.

During last three days I spent quite decent amount of hours playing ODS with zero crash and just occasional issues with missions (mostly reported). There weren’t not even graphic glitches (obvious) which I would remember as significant … and this on rather older PC (built 3y ago) and GFN. I see and know well that is needed allot work with EDO, but it’s clearly not what alpha version of game is … EDO was released in beta state and despite my personal disagreement with way how it was released, is clearly obvious that some people (not only on these forums) try really hard to paint it’s state as much worse as it is. And I have my first hand experience with ods play (playing it exclusively from release) so I do not need use YouTube videos or read other people articles to form my opinions.

 

[Trailstorm]

During last three days I spent quite decent amount of hours playing ODS with zero crash and just occasional issues with missions (mostly reported), there weren’t not even graphic glitches (obvious) which I would saw … and this on rather older PC (built 3y ago) and GFN. I see and know well there is needed allot work with EDO, but it’s clearly not what alpha version of game is … EDO was released in beta state and despite my personal disagreement with way how it was released is clearly obvious that some people (not only on these forums) try really hard to paint it’s state as much worse as is. And I have my first hand experience so I not need use YouTube videos or read other people opinions.

I mean, they're not wrong

 

[MishaTX]

With all due respect to Drew (met him in person when he was still passionate, rather than bitter, about the game; read and liked his books a lot),

Don't think he's bitter, just disappointed (but that's just my take), and I am too.

I hope that changes in the coming months. It's not like we haven't been here before, right?

 

[Salonica]

Even funnier is that EDO was a fully-fledged game and then reverted to an alpha/beta . But I will agree with the poster you quoted. Hard for me to have interest in Star Citizen when it's been in alpha since forever and it has, in my eyes, just been a scam. Hundreds of dollars for jpegs. Wonky performance to this day. Patches add more content without addressing performance while having fundraiser events. If it ever releases, I'll eat my words and jump on that train. But as of now, it just seems like a scheme.

Let's be very honest here.... Frontier have pulled the exact same stunts...

MMO Net architecture - released unfot for use and still is
MultiCrew - Released buggy and never addressed
Crime & Punishment - released and then reqritten, buggy and never addressed
Combat - Released buggy and just gotten worse and worse
And a myriad of other stuff..

And let's not also forget, that while they ignored all of those bugs, they railroaded right ahead and released an unholy mess of Odyssey right on top of all those bugs.
And let's not also forget, that Odyssey was released as a full payable DLC. Released in such a bad state that the CEO had to publicly apologise, and yet, it is still being peddled as a full price DLC.

If you want to use the 'scam' word, look closer to home.

 

[rootsrat]

I don't believe that his critique makes him bitter. You don't form opinions about something you no longer enjoy unless it comes from some place of passion and desire for better. I'm sorry if I'm assuming of your words, I just don't see why 'bitter' is the pejorative term here.

It's how I perceive his critique over the last few years (since their ways parted). Just my opinion.

He's not 'just another player'. He knows many things about FD that the rest of us don't.

But he can't share due to an NDA (I presume). So... in that context he really is just another player.

Don't think he's bitter, just disappointed (but that's just my take), and I am too.

I hope that changes in the coming months. It's not like we haven't been here before, right?

We shall see

 

[MishaTX]

We shall see

Indeed we shall!

 

[Rubbernuke]

The more important question:

did Bazmeson quit and start playing SC?

 

[MishaTX]

The more important question:

did Bazmeson quit and start playing SC?

He's currently discussing it with his friend.

I await their conclusion with bated breath.

 

[Rubbernuke]

He's currently discussing it with his friend.

I await their conclusion with bated breath.

I just find it all funny really. EDO is bugged to hell, SC is even less stable. Why not stream (and play) games that are stable and complete? I mean CoD Infinite Warfare did Star Citizen / S42 five years ago.

 

[NETbreed]

Let's be very honest here.... Frontier have pulled the exact same stunts...

MMO Net architecture - released unfot for use and still is
MultiCrew - Released buggy and never addressed
Crime & Punishment - released and then reqritten, buggy and never addressed
Combat - Released buggy and just gotten worse and worse
And a myriad of other stuff..

And let's not also forget, that while they ignored all of those bugs, they railroaded right ahead and released an unholy mess of Odyssey right on top of all those bugs.
And let's not also forget, that Odyssey was released as a full payable DLC. Released in such a bad state that the CEO had to publicly apologise, and yet, it is still being peddled as a full price DLC.

If you want to use the 'scam' word, look closer to home.

You rather undermined your whole argument by using the word "released" so much in defence of SC.

 

[Rubbernuke]

You rather undermined your whole argument by using the word "released" so much in defence of SC.

And in fairness, FD never sold ships for money (CM4 aside), or sold items that have no gameplay attached to them.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

I just find it all funny really. EDO is bugged to hell, SC is even less stable. Why not stream (and play) games that are stable and complete? I mean CoD Infinite Warfare did Star Citizen / S42 five years ago.

SC kinda makes sense from an influenza's viewpoint though. How much mileage are you going to get out of a finished product vs one that will likely never be complete with a business model that focuses on adding highly detailed ships that you can spend an hour showcasing every so often... on top of that the gossip potential and theory crafting (no actual in-game footage required) that can in theory go on forever because the game will likely never see a full release.

I did have a proper chuckle at one video titled "my SC Armstrong moment" or something along those lines - while I find the Elite implementation of that very underwhelming indeed, how many times can you perform that in SC - as in, how many planets are there currently? A dozen?

It's all pretty cynical but I guess Tubers have 4 I mean 5 kids feed so good luck to them.

 

[rootsrat]

I just find it all funny really. EDO is bugged to hell, SC is even less stable. Why not stream (and play) games that are stable and complete? I mean CoD Infinite Warfare did Star Citizen / S42 five years ago.

It's tribalism.

Only the true cosmo(see what I did there?)politans will get above this

 

[Phoenix_Dfire]

A lot of streamers have been playing for a long time and we all know that there comes a point where you burn out on the space game. If the fps side of things doesn't appeal, or you can't get the performance, then you can understand them moving away because there's nothing new in the space game.

 

[Rubbernuke]

SC kinda makes sense from an influenza's viewpoint though. How much mileage are you going to get out of a finished product vs one that will likely never be complete with a business model that focuses on adding highly detailed ships that you can spend an hour showcasing every so often... on top of that the gossip potential and theory crafting (no actual in-game footage required) that can in theory go on forever because the game will likely never see a full release.

I did have a proper chuckle at one video titled "my SC Armstrong moment" or something along those lines - while I find the Elite implementation of that very underwhelming indeed, how many times can you perform that in SC - as in, how many planets are there currently? A dozen?

It's all pretty cynical but I guess Tubers have 4 I mean 5 kids feed so good luck to them.

To be honest I don't see the appeal of that 'armstrong moment' at all. Call me a brute or simple minded I want actual gameplay to engage me. Staring at the sky and going 'ooo' to me is like having a poo and admiring my work in the pan.

 

[Winterwalker]

Don't think he's bitter, just disappointed (but that's just my take), and I am too.

What gets me though is that for a number of years prior to elite: dangeous, the wish for many has been to have a full on modern version of elite. Then for a number of years it becomes obvious that producing that new version is a development PROCESS, made up of incremental steps, base game, horizons, beyond. Then, when you get another incremental step on that road (quite a large one as it happens, putting a whole new way to interact with the game, new bases,new NPC's, new weapons, new crimes, new commodities and a new galaxy) suddenly you're disappointed it's not a god update? Jaques isn't in the bar from day one, when it's been a huge task to build the bar itself? After all those years of supporting incremental development you suddenly turn on the game and the devs when they do exactly the same thing they've been doing all along? Hitting them where it hurts to trash the first cash injection the game has had for six years, even risking the game itself. For me THAT is disappointing.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

To be honest I don't see the appeal of that 'armstrong moment' at all. Call me a brute or simple minded I want actual gameplay to engage me. Staring at the sky and going 'ooo' to me is like having a poo and admiring my work in the pan.

I get the general idea but in reality when you're the first to step foot on a planet for the 57th time during a long term exploration trip I doubt it's as special as the first time. It was merely marketing fluff anyways, don't know why people keep banging on about it.

I just returned from a very short explo trip (to check out planet tech) - about 15 jumps out. Had a few Armstrong moments (as in, the basic UI pop-up appeared a few times) but it was extremely shallow particularly since the planets all seem to look similarly underwhelming.

Associated gameplay paper thin and rather tedious in nature, while environments being too glitchy (lots and LOTS of object pop-in and out, constantly morphing terrain, and plenty of invisible rocks still) so I gave up and returned to the bubble, docked on my FC and logged straight off.

 

[Juniper]

It's how I perceive his critique over the last few years (since their ways parted). Just my opinion.

Honestly, that seems awfully convenient - and mirrors FDev's attitude to their player base perfectly. Just dismiss everyone who is disappointed and crushed by the state of Odyssey and the game generally as "bitter", and pretend they don't have valid points that need addressing.

Seems like attacking the messenger, rather than listening to the message from a position of humility. Yamiks has faced the same problem, but of course, he's not the only one either. Ironically, he's one of the few E: D streamers left.

 

[rootsrat]

Honestly, that seems awfully convenient - and mirrors FDev's attitude to their player base perfectly. Just dismiss everyone who is disappointed and crushed by the state of Odyssey and the game generally as "bitter", and pretend they don't have valid points that need addressing.

Seems like attacking the messenger, rather than listening to the message from a position of humility. Yamiks has faced the same problem, but of course, he's not the only one either. Ironically, he's one of the few E: D streamers left.

This has nothing to do with FDEV, as I am not an employee. This is my personal opinion and nothing else. And may I add that cutting the other part of my messages presents it in a worse context than I originally wrote it.

Nice try though, nice try.

 

[humanevil]

This has nothing to do with FDEV, as I am not an employee. This is my personal opinion and nothing else. And may I add that cutting the other part of my messages presents it in a worse context than I originally wrote it.

Nice try though, nice try.

you are a moderator...you are here to moderate the forums and not take sides in arguments that are between community members.