if i play at 30fps i start to move myself in slow motion in real life for the next 10\15 min after the game session
Odyssey Going Forwards
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Note i was not having a pop, was not offended and certainly was not arguing with you,This goes out to anyone who felt "offended" by my lack of knowledge:
Okay, maybe this 50Hz theory is debunked, fine. I'm just an old human being and therefore not omniscient. So please don't crucify me, okay?
I'm always down getting (gently) corrected so that I can learn a bit more. I really appreciate it guys!
Regarding my VR experience:
I'm using a Rift CV1 on a 1060Ti (with two more monitors connected), so my rig barely meet the specs. I never counted my fps but I'm pretty sure that I never got above the 40 fps. I never felt "sicknesses" of any kind in any game I played so far. Okay given, at the beginning of my "Home-VR" career I experienced a bit nausea but that didn't last for long and today I can sit under the hmd for hours (even in the SRV or PvP-Sessions within planetary rings) and the only thing I suffer from is "dehydration".
Maybe I'm an exception regarding vr-nausea, but it's simply my experience so far.
as for VR, you may know this already and if so i apologise if am telling your grandma how to suck eggs....
but your VR headset is actually running at a constant frequency all of the time, 90hz however the oculus software has some (very effective) trickery in is called Asychronous Time Warp and Asychronous space warp which actually does a really good job at hiding framerate drops.
someone will probably correct me with a better explanation but.
asynchronous time warp means that the framerate of you looking around in your headset is not tied to the frame rate of your game. This is a big deal for nausea , so even if the framerate of your game drops your head tracking in your game space is still nice and smooth.
asynchronous space warp was developed later and goes 1 step further.... if the frame rate drops the software attempts to guess what the dropped image would have been and inserts it into the game almost like free performance. it is not perfect and you get some artefacts but it is surprisingly impressive, most artefacts are around straight edges with large contrast differences which break up.
ASW 1.0 has been updated to ASW 2.0 and that honestly is like some sort of sorcery. ... it removes almost all the artefacts and works at even lower frame rates, however ASW 2.0 is moot for ED as it is not supported however.
but even so that is why you may not get the issues that one would expect you to get if you were truly using VR running at 40fps.
fly safe and enjoy your rift....... best thing to come to gaming in my opinion since... well since anything. i have waited most of my child/teenage life since having a go on the virtuality system back in the day and watching lawnmower man.
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Have a virtual brewerage of you're liking on my cost!
Thanks for the exhaustive explanation! Yeah, it seems it's really a kind of technical sorcery.
Since at least the WingCommander-Saga I always wished for that VR-Experience we now got with ED and "Lawnmower Man" was a hell of a movie (No, there NEVER was a sequel)!
But not only "Lawnmower Man", but also "Johnny Mnemonic", "Tron", "The Last Starfighter" etc.
These were "my" first VR-machines back in the 90's, running on an Amiga 2000 as a server:
That "50hz" theory is from the late 19th century where they just started to roll out electricity and used as the argument that 50hz AC was enough to not cause the incandescent lights to flicker noticeably.
The fact that worked is not so much that we can't pick up flicker, but that the threads in the bulbs don't cool down and loose enough brightness in the 20ms between pulses to be noticeable.
Try an actual 50hz strobe off an LED, and if you can't pick that up, I'd think most doctors would seize your drivers license.
Recent studies on the other our visual perception is actually much closer to 240hz, but if we try to account for the more instinctive parts of our brain's calculations, like motion prediction etc it's closer twice that again before we stop seeing any benefit at all.
The fact that worked is not so much that we can't pick up flicker, but that the threads in the bulbs don't cool down and loose enough brightness in the 20ms between pulses to be noticeable.
Try an actual 50hz strobe off an LED, and if you can't pick that up, I'd think most doctors would seize your drivers license.
Recent studies on the other our visual perception is actually much closer to 240hz, but if we try to account for the more instinctive parts of our brain's calculations, like motion prediction etc it's closer twice that again before we stop seeing any benefit at all.
As a console player on Xbox 1 I have to agree . There is no point in pushing something that's not ready and with the PC gamers now testing EDO for the superior Consoles we are grateful.
Don't forget the difference between conscious and unconscious processing of visual stimuli. The latter pathways are fast.
Its an understandable mistake because some school teachers used to teach this. I believe this old idea might come from imcandecent light bulbs. At power cycle 50Hz the filament doesn't cool down enough to visually dim and then get brighter again. I distinctly remember my grade 9 teacher (1980's) making the claim about human vision. I remember this because 50Hz power cycle means it turns off/on 100 times per second and the teacher didn't understand that either.
Sounds like there's a solid plan going on behind the scenes so I'm looking forward to seeing how the game progresses from here on, Exciting things are ahead I am sure. 
I wish FDev good luck, and hopefully this kick up the bum they've gotten will be the last.
sorry for the mixed reply...first time commenting here.
David,
The one thing we, as elite dangerous players, want more than anything is to see your dream come true. To have a game that you can get out of you cockpit, walk around your ship, and walk around a space station. I saw a video on YouTube a while back that stated these were your ambitions for Elite Dangerous and with the release of Odyssey I was overwhelmed to think that your dream finally came true. Reluctantly that wasn't the case. It made it even more heart breaking when a CM (Art) stated "Ship interties will not be a thing, they are hard to do" that we would get "bored" of doing it or that we wouldn't want to run 15 mins to get through your ship, even though they have hatches that can access the bridge quickly..or even take a elevator to the bridge. Keep being positive and keep your dream alive.
David,
The one thing we, as elite dangerous players, want more than anything is to see your dream come true. To have a game that you can get out of you cockpit, walk around your ship, and walk around a space station. I saw a video on YouTube a while back that stated these were your ambitions for Elite Dangerous and with the release of Odyssey I was overwhelmed to think that your dream finally came true. Reluctantly that wasn't the case. It made it even more heart breaking when a CM (Art) stated "Ship interties will not be a thing, they are hard to do" that we would get "bored" of doing it or that we wouldn't want to run 15 mins to get through your ship, even though they have hatches that can access the bridge quickly..or even take a elevator to the bridge. Keep being positive and keep your dream alive.
...ever needed.
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Agreed, but wasn't NMS also making up for a similar snafu? It seems comparable to me. I'm not saying they should do it, but they need to do something. Making the game the way it should have been in the first place isn't making up for their mistakes, it's just doing what they were supposed to do in the first place. And to placate Alienating entire player groups? And to make up for the lies causing massive distrust amongst the community?
They don't have to do anything. But the example of the right thing to do has already given by the company taking all their console business.
Appreciate the update and commitment to fixing the issues present with Odyssey... but I think a lot of players are also concerned about the long term health of the game. Feels like we're in limbo at the moment. Are the plans put forth in 2012 still being worked toward? Some of the recent CM statements lead me to believe they are not. I think we deserve to know why that is, what has changed, and what is still planned for the future.
I wish i would have 30 FPS at settlements. Sometimes the FPS drops to under 10 or lower and the game stutters and hangs, sometimes CTD too. Strangely in Ground war zones the stuttering is not so heavy then in situations like missions to hunt down scavengers or so... I do have trust that FD will do something about that but Patience is wearing thin as time goes by and no announcement or comment that this will be fixed in 2021.....
Too many mistakes have been made and Odyssey is just one big grind fest. Sure some will hang around but in our sector we are already noticing a massive drop in Cmdrs. With the advent of new games many more will leave never to return. A shame because you had this massive opportunity and BLEW it.
Wish I could be around to see that, would be so cool, but I'm thinking you're still too optimistic thinking bugs will be squashed by then
but comets might finally be visible (and landable) in game (after you've grinded for 20 hours improving your comet miner).I'm the same, never really measured my FPS in games and have a strong stomach (except for the VR implementation of The Vanishing of Ethan Carter - that really did make me feel nauseas - annoying cause I really loved the experience)... up until patch 5 of Odyssey where I suddenly got severe juddering just driving on a planets surface (not mentioning the invisible and appearing in one eye only rocks) and literally could almost count the frames in settlements, plus my hardware was seriously (worryingly so) overheating. These issues made me decide to give it a rest until it's seriously improved (fingers crossed for Patch 6).
My concern is that even if I play Horizons, eventually the changes from Odyssey will be applied to what is the superior version of Elite at the moment. I've moved on to other games rather than worry about one I love sliding into a blackhole of mediocrity caused by--to me--inexplicable changes in performance (VR is not acceptable atm) and user interface (that's the dealbreaker really).
I'm going to be watching closely to see if the "consolized" UI is rolled back in favor of one we've been using for years. I can deal with playing without VR but the redesign of just how to do everyday things has got to be fixed.
I'd be fine with canning Odyssey for now, reverting to Horizons as the "production" version of Elite and giving PC players who paid for Odyssey free updates for a long while for essentially backing a post-launch Kickstarter.
I'm going to be watching closely to see if the "consolized" UI is rolled back in favor of one we've been using for years. I can deal with playing without VR but the redesign of just how to do everyday things has got to be fixed.
I'd be fine with canning Odyssey for now, reverting to Horizons as the "production" version of Elite and giving PC players who paid for Odyssey free updates for a long while for essentially backing a post-launch Kickstarter.
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