Okay? But tell me, when asking players of memorable events, their coolest experience or generally stuff that they like to look back to and tell you stories of... what are the chances that they mention these CGs? Instead of things like Distant Worlds, the premonition Event, the Gnosis incident...
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This indeed. There is no single community.
What would it even mean? I participated in none of these events, yet I have a lot of memorable moments in the 7 years that I've been playing this thing.
Yes, but what does Andrew J Murgatroyd think?
I suspect it's not so much about the contents of the roadmap as a need for reassurance that Frontier intends to continue to develop Elite Dangerous. (Same with a lot of the requests for "better communication")
We are at the moment at an unusual state in terms of the game development.
- before ED released, we knew that they intended to release it
- during ED 1.0, we knew that Horizons was coming
- during Horizons, we knew that more Horizons was coming
- towards the end of Horizons we were told Beyond was coming
- towards the end of Beyond we were told they'd started work on Odyssey
...so there has always previously been a commitment to release "another major version" in future. No details about what it was, necessarily, just that there'd be one.
For people who basically enjoy Elite - problems with Odyssey aside - the fact that it's game-as-a-service and therefore could be shut down is a worry. Frontier always before had a commitment to keep developing it ... what they're going to develop next isn't really so important as the fact that there will be something, and therefore the game will continue to exist.
So the current roadmap saying
- step 1: fix Odyssey
- step 2: console release
...isn't sufficient, it runs out too soon ... so people want reassurance that there is going to be a step 3 - and the more details given about content and timescale, the more convincing the reassurance - because so long as Frontier are paying developers to do more than bug fixes, it's obvious that they have a long-term commitment to keeping the servers running too.
The counter to that is that any announcement of "what comes after Odyssey" is going to be met by a massive backlash from the other side of the players who are still upset about Odyssey, so I can understand why Frontier are holding off on saying anything there until Odyssey is working better. (Which I think broadly comes down to "can they fix performance?")
I can’t wait to see what update 6 delivers - and how the community responds. I’m genuinely excited.
Oh, I'd definitely agree that more big set-piece events are needed [1].
I think a few of the recent events in the current storylines might count, at least for their participants - the defence of Nova Imperium, the search for the Hesperus, the BGS diplomacy and fights going on to shape the Marlinist colonies.
Equally, I've got three books out of events around Colonia since The Community moved on to other things, and might be able to get a fourth out of the current Colonia politics storyline, so it's not as if there aren't plenty of memorable things going on whether or not Frontier is officially involved.
[1] With the caveat that while Premonition and Gnosis are looked back on now with appreciation, the amount of forum noise from the "losing" side in both cases, and the high risk of bugs occurring in an event which in many respects can't be tested in advance, means I can understand why they don't do too many of them either.
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I for one am on the edge of my seat.....
There are plenty of self-proclaimed candidates who can save the game from the comfort of their armchair, provided someone else does the actual work - I did listen to part of the the video, it was telling me stuff I already knew so it wasn't likely to be particularly 'eye-opening' as much as I could tell.Same cookie, different jar
Basically asking to hand over the keys to 'the Community'.
Really looking forward to see who those experienced key players will be...
The 'community' isn't, as you mentioned, a single entity, rather a loose collection of players with occasional common interests, but not all at once, nor for the same interest!
Yeah I guess that's fair. Though personally I do blame a lot on the players themselves, short trip off-topic: For the Gnosis event, the signs were very clear to me the moment they permit locked the target system. But all that aside, what I was on about that Drew had a massive impact on the game while closely working with both frontier and the community, so I do value his words a lot.
These kind of things make the game lively, and the rather lack thereoff lately is concerning. I did like that they brought back CG's & galnet last year, but I kind of want more...
True, but none of those other CGs required players to travel 23,000 LYs out into deep space to take part. I think the context of what DW2 was about and where it took place (as well as what it lead to, a startport at the heart of the galaxy), need to taken into account here.
And as far as the Premonition event goes, the numbers of people actually taking part isn't the whole story there either, its the wider impact those kind of events had. With all due respects to the events you elude to having more participants than both Premonition and DW2, none of them are in the same league as those two particular events when it comes to the widespread coverage they earned in the gaming press, nor the organisation it took to pull them off, or awareness the wider playerbase that would have known about them, watched on from the sidelines, but maybe had no direct input themselves.
Things need to be put into into the perspective and the context they deserve. Its not just a numbers game.
Sadly that will always be the case. If Frontier 'favour' one group over another, someone somewhere will moan about it or look on in jealousy that other ideas trumped theirs. Frontier can't win.
Seems to me Frontier favour the groups and events that they see as bringing their game the biggest PR boosts, ones that sell it to a wider audience. Internal affairs aren't really a big seller imo. Frontier probably see these things as a business venture, free advertising so to speak. I'm sure if someone comes up with another kickass event that gets the press involved again, and thousands of potential new customers once again looking into the world of Elite Dangerous, they'll be all over it.
Same cookie, different jar
Basically asking to hand over the keys to 'the Community'.
Really looking forward to see who those experienced key players will be...
There are Commaders whom I think know the game as well as or better than the Devs.
Ian Doncaster is god-like with BGS, CQC and number analysis.
Morbad when it comes to engineering a ship, theorycrafting and graphics.
I am not familiar with the exploring community, but I bet there are Trailblazers with experience that I would follow to Andromeda. Erich Kunzel?
In the PvP Community, Yamato and L'intouchable. Pilots who could blast us out of the void without even trying and have truly mastered fa off.
The above are honorable and love the game. They are large hearted enough to do what is best for the entire community.
Love them.
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Exactly.
Nothing going on today will be talked about in 5 years time (if Elite lives that long). But Premonition, the DW events, and the Gnosis probably will be. The standard was set 3 or 4 years ago with these things, and nothing has come close to them. The proof is on the forums, in the discords, on YT comments, where those old events are still talked about to this day.
Oh I agree, all have my respect.
To be frank, I was more interested in the selection process rather than its result, as I have a couple of candidates myself
A post about some random video from a random guy with no text, explanation or anything that would suggest what it's about. I ask why I should see it, and suddenly I have to justify my perceived lack of interest to you? Why the hell are you here?
Destiny's Child wrote a song about this...
Don't watch the video and don't comment in a thread that's talking about the video. Fairly easy way to live life I'd have said.
For Brabens sake - I just want to explore some loverly places, walk up stairs to my cabin for a kip and get on with a taxi / police job, some exploring and some pew pew in low threat resource sites .
BTW - Does anyone remember Traveller and Snapshot RPG from the .. ahem .. 80s. This game needs a dungeon master.
BTW - Does anyone remember Traveller and Snapshot RPG from the .. ahem .. 80s. This game needs a dungeon master.
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