Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

Mole HD

Mole HD
Agony_Aunt said:
Except when the CEO of the company was repeatedly saying how it would be ready in 2-3 years, and even after 2 years was saying it was almost ready.

The foolish part there of course is believing anything CIG says.
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What the hell has that got to do with anyone buying a PC? You're clutching at straws a bit there trying to labour a point about something or other...still haven't worked out what yet :D

When I built my old rig 6 years ago, I bought the bits I did to future proof it a bit...not to run any particular game or application. I listed the bits I wanted for that purpose, not because Chris Roberts lied about Star Citizen.

Original specs 6 years ago:

i7 8700k
Asus Z-270 ROG Strix MB
32Gb 2300mhz DDR4
1Tb Samsung 960 evo m.2 SSD
2Tb Samsung hybrid SSHD
EVGA GTX 1080ti
Corsair H100-i liquid cooler
2x Samsung 30" HDR monitors
Loads of plug in bits, a ton of fans and a pretty box to put it all in

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VR Golgot

VR Golgot
Mole HD said:
You mean it's only a relevant comment if you dislike Ci¬G, Chris Roberts or Star Citizen? Gotcha now :D
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What?

No. I agree that upgrading your machine is always a rolling affair, games always ask for more as time goes by. No one should expect today’s build to run a modern release well in 5 years. Etc etc.

But upgrading your machine to play a modern game, at launch, is a bit distinct. I bought a new CPU so I could play Half Life: Alyx at launch. It launched. I played it.

Some guys perfectly reasonably upgraded their gear to play SQ42 on release in 2016. It’s now 5 years later. No SQ42. That’s a bit crap ¯\(ツ)/¯
 

Glen Fiddik

Glen Fiddik
Anyone expecting Vulkan support to (a) be implemented and (b) fix all performance problems is on a fool's errand.

Looking forward to another Road to CitizenCon video on how they can't show any SQ42 because reasons otoh.
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On the overclockers forum, someone is very optimistic.

jonneymendoza said:
Go read the progress tracker and many videos released by CIG.

if you did, you would know they working hard on getting some of those core foundations in place now and they are huge huge tasks.

Here are 3 main things:

Gen 12 and vulkhan(It will increase the performanc of the game dramatically
Icache
Server Meshing


All 3 of these should be in the game in 12 months.
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Mole HD

Mole HD
VR Golgot said:
What?

No. I agree that upgrading your machine is always a rolling affair, games always ask for more as time goes by. No one should expect today’s build to run a modern release well in 5 years. Etc etc.

But upgrading your machine to play a modern game, at launch, is a bit distinct. I bought a new CPU so I could play Half Life: Alyx at launch. It launched. I played it.

Some guys perfectly reasonably upgraded their gear to play SQ42 on release in 2016. It’s now 5 years later. No SQ42. That’s a bit crap ¯\(ツ)/¯
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I bought all of my bits to play Elite Dangerous, ArmA 3, the Witcher 3 and IL2 BoS...since they were released and current games... as well as figuring it would be 5 years before I needed to upgrade the GPU/CPU/MB...Star Citizen and Sqn 42 were no more than ideas, same as they are now...regardless of what CR said/didn't say/lied about. Buying a PC or upgrading for Sqn 42/Star Citizen was completely pointless...as it still is. If anyone was daft enough to do so at that time, the same goes for currently...there's no accounting for stupidity 🤷‍♂️
 
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Intrepid3D

Intrepid3D
Mole HD said:
Indeed, but from the beginning...anyone buying or building a PC specifically to run one game with the thinking that it'll still be the required spec a decade later was always on a fools errand, Star Citizen or not. I can remember folks planning and buying upgrades for Horizons, yet they still expect Odyssey to run on the same specs that are now 6 years old in real terms. PC gaming has always been a fairly expensive hobby of playing catch up...now even the consoles have overtaken a good many folks current PC builds for less than the cost of a mid range graphics card 👨‍🦽

Star Citizen may have been in development for 9 years...but anyone not upgrading their PC at all during that time as a matter of course...especially if playing games are their thing...that's not Star Citizen's fault ;)
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Exactly this, Graphically its not the same game it was in 2014, its has 3 or 4 face lifts since then, it is unreasonable to expect it to run on 10 year old lower end hardware.
 

StuartGT

StuartGT
Mole HD said:
What the hell has that got to do with anyone buying a PC? You're clutching at straws a bit there trying to labour a point about something or other...still haven't worked out what yet :D

When I built my old rig 6 years ago, I bought the bits I did to future proof it a bit...not to run any particular game or application. I listed the bits I wanted for that purpose, not because Chris Roberts lied about Star Citizen.

Original specs 6 years ago:

i7 8700k
Asus Z-270 ROG Strix MB
32Gb 2300mhz DDR5
1Tb Samsung 960 evo NVME SSD
2Tb Samsung hybrid SSHD
EVGA GTX 1080ti
Corsair H100-i liquid cooler
2x Samsung 30" HDR monitors
Loads of plug in bits, a ton of fans and a pretty box to put it all in

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You mean ~4 years ago right? The Z270 ROG Strix series launched in January 2017, while the GTX 1080Ti launched in March 2017.

Your cows haven't been changing the clocks and calendars again, have they? Sneaky buggers 🐄
 

Mole HD

Mole HD
StuartGT said:
You mean ~4 years ago right? The Z270 ROG Strix series launched in January 2017, while the GTX 1080Ti launched in March 2017.

Your cows haven't been changing the clocks and calendars again, have they? Sneaky buggers 🐄
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Possibly :D

And you're correct, my original board was an Asus z-270p (looking guiltily at the box, still on top of the wardrobe) and the original graphics card was an 8Gb GTX 1070 dual, I built the original rig in November of 2016... I'm getting old. I took the pic after I upgraded the PSU and the graphics card mid 2017...serves me right for looking at the picture first :whistle:
 
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Intrepid3D

Intrepid3D
A 1080TI is still more than enough for SC.

I run it at 1440P Very High and the performance at that on my 2070 Super is good to very good.

Again at 1440P the game will run just fine on a GTX 1070, at 1080P it will do that on a GTX 1060, Katie the one whose making all those SC videos these days has a GTX 1060 and you can't watch those videos and tell me it runs bad.
Hardware is not cheap but there comes a point where you have to accept you don't have the hardware for it and its not the games fault, the last generation consoles have an RX 570 on this chart, the new ones are an RX 5700.

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StuartGT

StuartGT
Mole HD said:
Possibly :D

And you're correct, my original board was an Asus z-270p (looking guiltily at the box, still on top of the wardrobe) and the original graphics card was an 8Gb GTX 1070 dual, I built the original rig in November of 2016... I'm getting old. I took the pic after I upgraded the PSU and the graphics card mid 2017...serves me right for looking at the picture first :whistle:
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It's the cows playing mind-tricks on you! :eek: 🐄
 

Mole HD

Mole HD
Went out mining this afternoon at the LaGrange cloud at Arc L1...just to test the new scanner thingy for mining in the PTU. Came across some strange Advocacy ships hiding among the asteroids out there...NPC manned ships but powered down and inactive.There was a Mantis, a couple of Gladiators and a Valk....very strange. Not come across anything like that before :unsure:

Anyway, like how the new scanner suite works for mining, big improvement over the old scanner UI. I don't think I'd have spotted the ships there with the old scanner. I also like how the new scanner UI follows my headtracking...means I can tie the scan ping to wherever I'm looking rather than swinging the ship around (y)
 
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Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Mole HD said:
What the hell has that got to do with anyone buying a PC?
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9 years ago CR is on record saying SC would take 2-3 years. I'm sure they aired some expected minimum specs around that date, but at that point probably would have been premature.

However, towards the end of 2014/early 2015, CR, Erin, and Sandi are all on record saying SQ42 was almost finished and CR specifically said SC wasn't far behind.

Now, at that point, someone rather excited for the soon to be released SQ42 and SC might have gone out and bought a new computer specifically to play SC. In fact, i'm pretty certain if you go back to forum posts around that time you would find people saying how they bought a new PC just to play SQ42/SC.

Why? Because CIG management led them to believe the game was almost ready and would run on whatever specs they were touting at the time.
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Mole HD said:
You mean it's only a relevant comment if you dislike Ci¬G, Chris Roberts or Star Citizen? Gotcha now :D
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Not at all. It wasn't people who disliked CIG who upgraded their computers specifically for the upcoming imminent release of SQ42/SC.

Sure, those people might have upgraded sooner or later. Some people, might not have upgraded at that time if it wasn't for CIG's statements.

For sure, people generally upgrade over time, but i don't know about you, but for me, that time is usually triggered by a need to upgrade rather than spending money for the sake of it.
 
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