State of the Game

You're American like I am, right? How is reducing mobility going to work here? I know it would work fine in Europe, I grew up there, but it certainly wouldn't work where I live now where public transportation is non-existent because it's not financially viable.
it's always going to be true that personal transportation is more preferrable than not for individuals. And it's always going tobe true that personal transportation is not efficient for society.

We're a small population in a large area ...so it's taken us longer for the needs of the society to start outweighing those of the individual. Though, that's not all that drives the societal needs forward in this regard. The US gets much of it's financial GDP from being leaders in technology and IP. You can't do that by sitting back on old crap that the markets in the rest of the world (who do have that population pressure making this issues un-ignorable) leave you behind. So wanting to stay rich is motivating the US where societal pressure was not.

I do not foresee busses and trains in the US's future. But rather cars as a service. Cars will become too (they already are) expensive for most people to afford and so they'll be shared.. it's simple, inevitable and as much as someone may like driving or that privacy....just the way driving has to evolve. Only the rich will have personal cars ..just like only the rich have personal jets.

What about uninterrupted power in order to access the Internet, which apparently we have to be able to at all times now? Where's that power going to come from? Unicorn farts? Because I remember this past February when we suddenly found out in Texas, much to our dismay, that the 25% of our energy production that we got from wind farms (not a problem since we have areas much larger than a lot of European nations that we have no other use for) didn't work when the wind mills froze over and we had no backup. Because "the environment".
Your wind farms put out more energy than expected during the time leading up to the power outage. Your 100 year old tech gas dependent power plants that refused to winterize because updating for changing climates is expensive and doesn't exist in texas is why you had a power issue. That and the fact that you let corporations self regulate a public utility. Working out just as literally everyone else predicted given history being history and all that.

The people who froze to death during that month would most likely have enjoyed having an alternative backup but, then again, they're dead now.

yea. Maybe by getting rid of the government that allowed your electric companies to skirt recommendations and then getting rid of the ceo's and boards on those companies and having them run by people who answer to the public and not share holders for things like safety and performance.
 
That reminds me of a very oft-quoted line from Men In Black, which I find myself using quite a lot in life.

Will Smith's character turns to Tommy Lee Jones and says "Why can't we tell them?.. people are intelligent, they can handle it" To which Tommy replies "A person is intelligent, people are dumb, irrational, panicky things"

En masse we are collectively stupid as a large group.
exactly - most are quite dumb, about 5% are clever enough to have a much better life than those 95% - and just about 5% of the 5% are actually smart. But the dumb 95% have no chance to understand them, they would have to believe, and that is why they deem science to be a kind of religion as well - they cannot reason about it, they have to believe. And they just won't want to believe into something, what is prone to change - science is falsifiable, whereas religion is not - and so there is more a tendency to religion than to science as well - which is then again really unfortunate, when mankind is confronted with a problem like we have it now - where science would be required, but isn't trusted.
 
The big disagreement I have with modern green movements is opposition to nuclear power. Fewer deaths per kWh than any other power source.
It's really ironic, speaking as somebody who actually does have a bit (but not a lot, I'm no expert) of knowledge on the subject matter. Nuclear energy is by far the safest, cleanest, most economical source we have right now. Not saying that we won't have even better options in the future, because I'm sure we will (fusion, anybody?), but right now we have nothing better.

Unfortunately, thanks to a rubbish fantasy movie made decades ago as well as the utterly predictable failure of "design by commitee" Soviet work back in the mid 80s, everybody thinks that nuclear energy will make us all glow in the dark. While gleefully boarding planes with much less scrupulous safety regulations (even though they are, quite rightfully so, quite extensive) than your average nuclear power plant.

It is to laugh. But nobody ever went broke underestimating the gullibility of humans in a crowd.
 
It's really ironic, speaking as somebody who actually does have a bit (but not a lot, I'm no expert) of knowledge on the subject matter. Nuclear energy is by far the safest, cleanest, most economical source we have right now. Not saying that we won't have even better options in the future, because I'm sure we will (fusion, anybody?), but right now we have nothing better.

Unfortunately, thanks to a rubbish fantasy movie made decades ago as well as the utterly predictable failure of "design by commitee" Soviet work back in the mid 80s, everybody thinks that nuclear energy will make us all glow in the dark. While gleefully boarding planes with much less scrupulous safety regulations (even though they are, quite rightfully so, quite extensive) than your average nuclear power plant.

It is to laugh. But nobody ever went broke underestimating the gullibility of humans in a crowd.
Hello wonderful person...

 
You do you... just live in the knowledge of what you do doing what it does to those that are left
Reading those wise words made me realise how wrong my attitude is.

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Luckily I forgot about it in the next moment.
 
yea. Maybe by getting rid of the government that allowed your electric companies to skirt recommendations and then getting rid of the ceo's and boards on those companies and having them run by people who answer to the public and not share holders for things like safety and performance.
Oh yes. I'm sure that the idiotic focus on wind farms had absolutely NOTHING to do with endless government subsidies for them, along with punitive regulations designed to make it ever more difficult to do things any other way.

But I can meet you halfway: How about we get government the everloving fark out of just about everything and let people just mind their own business as much as humanly possible? :)
 
And that is what most are like - selfish - why should they care and even less pay for it, if it doesn't benefit them now - this is exactly why we are doomed as a species.
Thank you for your kind words, it may be the first time anyone ever claimed that my behaviour as "humanely".
Well, kind of.
 
To be fair, we are getting to a point (finally!!) where viable fusion reactors are looking like more than the pipe dream they were a few years ago. If we get that beuaty up and running viably, we can forget those monstrosity windfarms... and solar panel efficiency is going up and up - I think there was an Oxford? team that reckon they've got the efficiency up to about 47% now from memory
 
Oh yes. I'm sure that the idiotic focus on wind farms had absolutely NOTHING to do with endless government subsidies for them, along with punitive regulations designed to make it ever more difficult to do things any other way.

But I can meet you halfway: How about we get government the everloving fark out of just about everything and let people just mind their own business as much as humanly possible? :)
I watched Planet of the humans too. 😲

Edit: It's worth a watch...
 
To be fair, we are getting to a point (finally!!) where viable fusion reactors are looking like more than the pipe dream they were a few years ago. If we get that beuaty up and running viably, we can forget those monstrosity windfarms... and solar panel efficiency is going up and up - I think there was an Oxford? team that reckon they've got the efficiency up to about 47% now from memory
Hear, hear! I never doubted we'd get there eventually, and I don't doubt it now. And then we'll truly have endless, clean energy. Well, as endless as entropy allows, but long enough that we won't have to fight about it anymore, anyway :)
 
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