General Something HAS to be done about the grindy-ness, IT'S TOO MUCH!!!!

[Djonn]

You know, I really enjoy elite but it is 6:20 am, I started playing at 12:00 am and do you know what I did? Guess....guess what I did in those SIX AND A HALF HOURS. I reconfigured and re-engineered my weapons on my cutter...that's right. I.did.nothing. I wanted to try and do some combat missions for fun and to raise my combat rank but what I ended up doing instead was spending over 6 hours reengineering my guns having no clue it would take that long. How did it take that long? I honestly still don't know. My guess is travel time between engineers and material traders. Oooh, man I just realized all the time I spent COLLECTING materials too. God if you factor that in....sigh....and I actually have more time to play the game than my friend does. And it's still this bad....

Look...I want to ACTUALLY play the game. I want to explore, I want to go to different systems, I want to do combat, I want to do odyssey stuff. But I'm realizing how utterly RIDICULOUS the amount of prep time is before I can comfortably do any of that. Sure, I could set out to explore with the cheapest ship, anybody could. But you're gonna have a real short trip at worst and at best not a good time if you don't properly engineer and buy at least SOME of the components to make things better.

So my official suggestion is to CUT THE GRINDY CRAP! Cut back drastically on engineering mats required, BRING ALL THE ENGINEERS CLOSER TOGETHER or something...JUST.DO.SOMETHING. I wanted to fight and do combat and now I don't know when I'll get to play again. Maybe tomorrow night, but probably not. For the love of god, I just want to play the game. Money isn't hard to make, THAT IS GOOD. That's a good first step. But everything else needs to be faster too. This is the kind of crap that pushes me away from games. The views are fantastic, the ships are beautiful, the galaxy is out there, the planets are awesome. I just want to be able to experience that stuff. Less bouncing back and forth between systems that are 100-300 LYs apart, less running around spending cumulatively DAYS grinding for mats, less working constantly on reputation just to unlock a ship that you have to spend even more time getting ready, less spending hours upon hours upon hours prepping to do something AND MORE OF JUST.DOING.THAT.SOMETHING!! PLEASE!

 

[Factabulous]

So .. you wanted to go fight, but you chose to go engineering instead ... and that's the game's fault? Just go fighting - job done

 

[Dillon Fallon]

You do realise that if you'd have stopped at g4 you'd have something that's 90% as effective as a maxed out ship for a massively reduced material cost? Honestly, if I run out of mats I'll use the ship anyway and finish off as and when I can. The upshot is that of the 26 ships I have only 3 are fully engineered, but all are perfectly capable of playing the game with.

What on earth is going on with that build that it took 6 hours before it was possible to use it at all if all you changed is the weapons?

 

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[varonica]

Someone who has never played a Korean MMO, or just about any MMO in fact.

 

[T200]

Someone who has never played a Korean MMO, or just about any MMO in fact.

I mean if you need to compare it to a korean mmo that's kind of a bad sign, it's also kind of ignorant of how most (decent) MMO's have a greater number of ways to interact.


you can pick up weapons or loadouts in Planetside 2 for instance, Most of the fantasy tab-targeting MMO's have some form of auction house and trading system that doesn't require any extra equipment, most mmo's also allow you to swap equipment out in your inventory without requiring you to return to an inn, many have safety deposit boxes or chests or whatever that players can store stuff , even trade commodities, in.
All of this is basically to say that there's great number of things that make the grind in Elite feel especially demoralizing, and there's not even the excuse of trying to squeeze premium currency purchases or a greater number of monthly fees.

 

[Elliot Coleman]

Wait until you realise the rest of the game is rinse-repeat-grind...

 

[Florenus]

Look...I want to ACTUALLY play the game. I want to explore, I want to go to different systems, I want to do combat, I want to do odyssey stuff. But I'm realizing how utterly RIDICULOUS the amount of prep time is before I can comfortably do any of that.

Really? I mean... really?
You have no idea what you're talking about.
You don't need any engineering to play the game (with some exceptions, like PvP against meta engineered ships, or some really difficult scenarios like some Conflict Zones or some bigger Thargoids). And if you want to tune up your ship, the idea is to gradually improve it as you play.
If you want to do that all at once, bafore actually enjoying the game, because some moron on Youtube told you so, then it's your choice, so stop whining.

 

[here_it_comes]

So .. you wanted to go fight, but you chose to go engineering instead ... and that's the game's fault? Just go fighting - job done

You do realise that if you'd have stopped at g4 you'd have something that's 90% as effective as a maxed out ship for a massively reduced material cost?

Really? I mean... really?
You have no idea what you're talking about.
You don't need any engineering to play the game...

Just ignore the weapon options the game provides you OP! Trying to utilize what the game offers?!? What an idiot!

The fact that people are mocking players trying to enjoy the gameplay injected by the previous expansion, in order to protect the reputation of the game, is just amazing. You really can't write comedy better than this.

Someone who has never played a Korean MMO, or just about any MMO in fact.

EQ and WOW for me never incurred the feeling of grind that ED does in a single evening of engineering.

 

[here_it_comes]

The views are fantastic, the ships are beautiful, the galaxy is out there, the planets are awesome. I just want to be able to experience that stuff. Less bouncing back and forth between systems that are 100-300 LYs apart, less running around spending cumulatively DAYS grinding for mats, less working constantly on reputation just to unlock a ship that you have to spend even more time getting ready, less spending hours upon hours upon hours prepping to do something AND MORE OF JUST.DOING.THAT.SOMETHING!! PLEASE!

Sadly, FD has no confidence in their own game and genuinely believe we won't play it without the whip and yoke of grind. It's a shame. If only they knew that they themselves play gatekeepers to people playing even more.

 

[Thatchinho]

For the love of god, I just want to play the game.

Just play the game then. If you decide to do things you don't want to do instead of doing what you want to do, then that's your decision. Don't expect everything to change to make the way you approached it the right way. If you're not happy with the results of how you approached it, change how you approach it. Pretty simple.

 

[here_it_comes]

Just play the game then.

Like participating in engineering, a major component of the previous DLC? Or does that not count as "the game"?

Pretty simple.

 

[Thatchinho]

Like participating in engineering, a major component of the previous DLC? Or does that not count as "the game"?

Pretty simple.

You're changing the discussion to something else.

The OP set out what 'the game' was in this context. Specifically they said that in this case what they wanted to do was to do some combat missions for fun.

They also set the scene. They already have a Cutter. They already had engineered weapons on their Cutter.

They could literally have just done what they wanted to do straight away. They could have done it in their Cutter. If they've got money for a Cutter, they could have bought a cheap ship as a throwaway and gone and had some fun.

They decided they were going to do something else instead of doing what they wanted to do. They didn't have to do that in any way or form. They're unhappy about it.

They could have solved the problem for themselves at any point by changing their decision and just going and doing what they wanted to do, instead of doing something they didn't want to do. Yes, it's that simple.

 

[Dillon Fallon]

No grind anywhere in WoW! Good one!

So I take it in those games you grind to the max level doing something tedious before you start anything interesting too?

Plenty of grind in those games if you want to sit there doing the same thing over and over again for 6 hours to max out something.

 

[here_it_comes]

They could literally have just done what they wanted to do straight away. . . They decided they were going to do something else instead of doing what they wanted to do. They didn't have to do that in any way or form

OP made it very clear that he wanted to try some different combat configurations, which ED makes a massive timesink of. I enjoy trying different combat configurations as well, and not just in ED.

They could have solved the problem for themselves at any point by changing their decision and just going and doing what they wanted to do...

He was doing what he wanted to do. I've been in this same scenario many times with ED where I want to try a loadout and have to spend an entire evening preparing it so that I can try it another night instead. No other game puts me through this.

They decided they were going to do something else instead of doing what they wanted to do.

G3 Gaslighting

They could have solved the problem for themselves at any point by changing their decision and just going and doing what they wanted to do

"Stop doing what you wanted to do because it's not what you wanted to do"

G5!

 

[T200]

I find the current weapon system awfully boring and limited in the lack of redudency and fussiness... not helped by the lack of proper damage models

 

[here_it_comes]

EQ and WOW for me never incurred the feeling of grind that ED does

No grind anywhere in WoW! Good one!

Reading slower helps with comprehension.

 

[Dillon Fallon]

OP made it very clear that he wanted to try some different combat configurations, which ED makes a massive timesink of. I enjoy trying different combat configurations as well, and not just in ED.



He was doing what he wanted to do. I've been in this same scenario many times with ED where I want to try a loadout and have to spend an entire evening preparing it so that I can try it another night instead. No other game puts me through this.



G3 Gaslighting



"Stop doing what you wanted to do because it's not what you wanted to do"

G5!

You need to explain why the game can only be played when you have a ship with g5 modules because right now it's just coming across that you don't like playing it and instead of playing a game you do like you'd rather waste your time complaining about this one.

 

[Dillon Fallon]

Reading slower helps with comprehension.

What I comprehend is that in other games you go out and play the game and gain experience and gear over the course of your playtime but for some reason in this one you have to repeat the same task over and over again to max out your gear before starting.

There is grind to be found in WoW if you look for it, just like you found it in ED and decided, this is the route for me.

 

[Thatchinho]

OP made it very clear that he wanted to try some different combat configurations, which ED makes a massive timesink of. I enjoy trying different combat configurations as well, and not just in ED.



He was doing what he wanted to do. I've been in this same scenario many times with ED where I want to try a loadout and have to spend an entire evening preparing it so that I can try it another night instead. No other game puts me through this.



G3 Gaslighting



"Stop doing what you wanted to do because it's not what you wanted to do"

G5!

What you're saying they said: "he wanted to try some different combat configurations"

What the OP said: "I wanted to try and do some combat missions for fun and to raise my combat rank"

Seems like you're projecting. (See, I can use buzzwords as well!) Either that or you're saying that the OP built their entire post on a false pretext.

If the OP wanted to try and do some combat missions for fun, then they should have just done that. If that's not what they actually wanted to do, then they shouldn't have said that's what they wanted to do. Again, it's pretty simple.