Arctic Fox...worst case scenario just happened

Jeminyne

Jeminyne
12344321 said:
I've been seeing posts of people preferring arctic fox over moose, alligator and cougars...in hindsight I guess I'm just happy the community had no say in making this pack.

Because it would have literally been a worst case scenario then. PZ might screw up, but their choices are unfortunately still better than some of what I've been reading.
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Jesus Christ could you be more antagonistic and pouty? I’ve never seen anyone obsess more over a single animal choice. Sit tight buddy, you’ve got a whole bunch of more packs to be upset about and peoples’ opinions to disagree with. A whole world of different people with different preferences to get mad at too.

Also why are you getting mad at people for wanting a “clone” like a Arctic fox, then claiming the alligator— at LEAST as much of a clone as the fox is, if not more— is somehow better? What a confusing thread.
 
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FoxyDee

FoxyDee
The Arctic Fox will not be a clone. Personally I think a clone or reskin animal is the malayan tapir. If there are any changes made to the model, then it is not a reskin. They cant just shrunk down an Arcic Wolf and call it a fox. The animal will need alot of adjustments on the model, therefore not really a clone. Plus it is confirmed they will have new animations (it was mentioned the foxes will have their famous jump in the snow head-first behaviour).

I also dont understand the “people who want similar animals have to be laiks or casuals”. Usually it is the other way around, usually peole who are knowledgeble of animals know even the smallest differences between similar animals and can appriciate them for such.

Do I want more unique animals? Hell yea, but I am also not mad at people for having different preferences than mine.
 

12344321

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Jeminyne said:
Jesus Christ could you be more antagonistic and pouty? I’ve never seen anyone obsess more over a single animal choice. Sit tight buddy, you’ve got a whole bunch of more packs to be upset about and peoples’ opinions to disagree with. A whole world of different people with different preferences to get mad at too.

Also why are you getting mad at people for wanting a “clone” like a Arctic fox, then claiming the alligator— at LEAST as much of a clone as the fox is, if not more— is somehow better? What a confusing thread.
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Is the irony lost on you?

"Jesus Christ could you be more antagonistic" they said antagonistically.

"Sit tight buddy, you’ve got a whole bunch of more packs to be upset about and peoples’ opinions to disagree with. A whole world of different people with different preferences to get mad at too" the unaware person shouted, at all the different people they disagreed with online.


I can happily repeat the question I posed more clearly for you.

"Which animal in this pack (aka the north america pack) is the obligate clone?"

Where did I say the alligator is "better" than the arctic fox? I never wrote that, so where did you read it? Is that why you are confused? Because now I am...
 
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ElectricMonk

ElectricMonk
Who said there was an obligate clone? If there is one, though, it’s the gator.

it is 100% fair enough for you to dislike the Arctic fox. It’s your right to like or dislike whatever you wish. Saying that ‘no one wanted’ the fox is just weird though - it’s been heavily requested since the Arctic pack.
 

paul78

paul78
I’ve been giving it some thought although happy the arctic fox made it I wasn’t really excited about it but the more I think about it the more excited I get to build for it. This animal could be the underdog of the pack much like the dall sheep. Awesome animal to see in PZ!
 

JBQ

J
12344321 said:
I'm glad people like the "shrunk down arctic wolf" 🤣

I did not. I would have prefered loads of other animals, with unique animal models...but apparently the community doesn't want that. They want shrunken wolf clones.

I imagine most people want other bad inclusions such as domesticated animals, whales and another wolf (maybe even two or three more wolf species) 🐺

It comes across as a lack of knowledge about animal species in my opinion. I think that's why people hated Southeast Asia so much, they didn't know any of the species 🙄
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I love (sarcasm) how judgmental this is. Just because people like particular animals does not mean that they don’t know about animal species. People have different interests in animals than you, that doesn’t make those interests bad. There are a bunch of high quality animal mods out now. If the DLC does not contain an animal you want, chances are there is a mod that does and you can simply go download that. Nothing wrong with being bummed that your preferred animals weren’t included but being so negative towards community members who are happy is unnecessary.
 

Sindy

Sindy
I mean you did ask the community's opinion, which is overall positive for the arctic fox. You can dislike the fox, of course, but you can't be upset when you get responses you don't like if you're talking to an entire forum of different people. But to answer the question, I'm surprisingly happy the fox was included. I was really disappointed it wasn't in the initial Arctic DLC so I mean I see why they chose to include it for NA. They have to fluff up the hype with something cutesy and in high demand so the pack sells well. Arctic wolf was something cool to buffer the Dall sheep because most everyone only wanted the polar bear. If we got the arctic wolf in this pack, reactions would be the same and it would just be "a bigger arctic fox." And, if you really think about it, they're all "clones" of established animals.

Moose = Giant Reindeer
Arctic Fox = Frosty Fennec Fox
Prairie Dog = Stumpy Meerkat
Alligator = Florida Crocodile
Beaver = Chunky Otter
Cougar = Every Other Big Cat
Sea Lion = Noisy Gray Seal
Bullfrog = Little Goliath Frog

And whatever species weren't included will likely be added in the future, plus, there are always mods. Personally, I'm just excited to build smaller habitats for smaller mammals, be they arctic foxes or not.
 

AndyZoos

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The interesting thing about lists like that is that they don't reflect a person's full perspective.

Was the arctic fox anywhere near my top 20 of animals I wanted in the game? Nope. But that's mostly because I would have preferred the red fox, which is very high up on my list. And if I'm going to lay down my vote for any one fox at this point? I'd hope for that one.

If red foxes were suddenly not an option, though, the arctic fox would DEFINITELY be up there for me!

So despite it not being in my top 20? I think it's an exceptional inclusion -- especially since it's going to have a unique animation associated with it! It's also pretty versatile in that you can include it in a "small mammal" area, a North American area, a general arctic/cold weather area, Europe, etc.
 

jcp011c

jcp011c
Agree, even though it wasn't in my top 20 (though it was very close to it!) it's not at all something I mind getting. I'm excited about it because it was one of the two more "surprise picks". And given that this pack actually really went strong with the more popular choices, having two less obvious or popular ones isn't a bad thing at all.
 

igorvasconcelos

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I don't have as many problems with the arctic fox as I have with the arctic wolf or the himalayan grizzly bear.

"Clones" are welcome, subspecies are not!

Although it's a spectacular package, I'm sad that we didn't get a bird in the game.

And I keep saying, even so, the fox is (for me) the most expendable animal in this package, as it is just another canid.

Some will say we got another cat, but I believe the cougar can be more versatile and iconic.

Cats in the game manage to be more diverse (even though we have 2 tigers) than dogs (we have 3 Canis lupus in the game!)

We have three well-represented families in the game that recur in the packs - felines, canids and bears. I believe they are recurrent because they are highly appreciated by the general public - and that sells!

Classic representatives of these groups are still missing - bespectacled bear, lynx and maned wolf. However, every time we get one of them in a package, it's one less new animal we have in the game.

It is an observation, a small complaint. But the balance of the North American package is positive!
 

Sindy

Sindy
Aidan635 said:
Lol... yes very true. They are indeed noisy lads. But, I would be willing to say the Sea Lion is a new rig. I think the seal is way different than the Sea Lion because the Sea Lion walks around, and the seal... well... flops around!
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True!! I'm sure most of the new animals will have unique rigs. :D
 

Fini

Fini
While I was reading all this, I kept thinking of a stream from Nick where he or Leaf said "Frontier made most of the animals out of the zebra rig" (Planet Zebra \o/)
And I have to smile a bit.
I don't know if that's really true, because I don't have the source.
But even if ... who cares if Frontier has made a bear out of the zebra and a tapir out of the bear. 🤷‍♀️
Every animal is unique. Even the malayan Tapir and the himalayan brown bear.
I am happy that we have the fox. now we have both the arctic wolf and fox.
 

yoav_r

yoav_r
Fini said:
While I was reading all this, I kept thinking of a stream from Nick where he or Leaf said "Frontier made most of the animals out of the zebra rig" (Planet Zebra \o/)
And I have to smile a bit.
I don't know if that's really true, because I don't have the source.
But even if ... who cares if Frontier has made a bear out of the zebra and a tapir out of the bear. 🤷‍♀️
Every animal is unique. Even the malayan Tapir and the himalayan brown bear.
I am happy that we have the fox. now we have both the arctic wolf and fox.
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So there's rig->model->skin. Most ungulates in PZ share the same rig (zebra as leaf said) but not the same model. That's precisely the problem with the new tapir.
 

Sindy

Sindy
yoav_r said:
Beaver - new rig
Sea lion - new rig

Cougar - cat rig
Alligator - croc/caiman rig
Prairie dog - meerkat
Arctic fox - fennec

Moose - we don't know yet, but likely an existing rig
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You're more than likely right, but I'm trying to stay optimistic for this pack if only out of spite at this point
 
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