Trouble is FD and the BGS don't work like that, so its up to you to manage the situation. No one is thinking remove PA or the lore, what people are finding amusing is 'with the gameplay of our group and our comrades' which boils down to gardening and not wanting to put the time into doing what other groups do all the time. Peregrina is an edge case that should never of happened, but has, FD put in a solution and now you are going to have to deal with the new reality.
Peregrina Aristocrats
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The problem is that BGS work in the intersection with game factions is one thing. But the current situation is the disrespectful, spontaneous and spontaneous rustling of influence in our systems by overflying pilots.
The current, pounced upon by these disrespectful players is, to put it mildly, beyond adequate and intolerant, putting the interests of players without communities above the interests of exactly the same players, but with communities.
We are all players here. And everyone is equal. Too bad not everyone is willing to put up with the fact that they can't be more equal. We sincerely do not understand why the reality you promote is more correct than ours.
Yea, pretty much like the Freedom of Speech, right? I have the right to say whatever i want!!! Because Freedom of Speech!!!
But you can benefit from the freedom of speech only when you are not using that to hurt other people.
If you do hurt other people by using your right to freedom of speech, a greater power will come and show your mistakes (no matter how you do call that power... karma, your wife*, justice, the twitter mob, etc)...
* When your wife is asking you How do i look? or Is the soup good? or I'm going to invite my mother to live with us for a while, what do you think about it?..., you have the freedom of speech to tell her exactly what's in your mind, but then you'd have to live with the consequences... Maybe even years of efforts gone down the drain in un ugly divorce?
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Exactly! We sincerely do not understand why the reality promoted by many here is more correct than ours. And why our proposed solution, which is tolerant of all opinions, is so actively rejected.
I'm absolutely shocked that some of you, guys, react like this to our attempts to find a compromise.
"You are there and you must defend, but don't hurt anyone in the process".
It's like worrying about the life of a criminal who broke into your house to slaughter your entire family.
We don't want to be between a rock and a hard place. It's a terrible position.
Solution to give community consistent permit-giving option - OK, cool.
But if it's already not according to the rules, just add one more feature to it - not to expand from 18609. And we can leave this system and grant peace for all.
"You are there and you must defend, but don't hurt anyone in the process".
It's like worrying about the life of a criminal who broke into your house to slaughter your entire family.
We don't want to be between a rock and a hard place. It's a terrible position.
Solution to give community consistent permit-giving option - OK, cool.
But if it's already not according to the rules, just add one more feature to it - not to expand from 18609. And we can leave this system and grant peace for all.
You mean, you have to maintain your territory? The BGS never sleeps.
The BGS sees everyones work equally, so there can't be 'disrespectful players'. You have to deal with what the days tick gives you regardless if your group 'holds' 1 or 100 systems.
? You fail to understand the BGS does not care about you, me, your group or anyone. Your 'territory' 'gameplay' etc is nothing but an event in an ongoing chain of events. Its not static, its unwinnable and is ever changing.
The correct solution would have been that you guys to let PA keep one asset in another system so people can get permit.
Instead of that, you treated the entire community as "enemy" and locked PA out
This isn't the abstract BGS you're trying to talk about, trying to steer the dialogue in the direction you want it to go. This is just the result of a rash decision made after the whining of those players who weren't willing to respect other players and decided to mindlessly get permits without thinking about the group of players living in those systems.
It's not about BGS, it's about intolerant players themselves, hiding behind the opinion that they are righteous and their opinion is more important than that of other players.
The solution we propose takes all of these things into account. It will give permissions to those who want them, but it won't spontaneously mess up our gameplay.
Don't distort the point.
We repeatedly offered options to solve the problem BEFORE this situation, no one cared. Just as no one cared that people were playing in this area either.
We didn't declare anyone to be the enemy. We offered to correction of the proposed by FD solution, taking into account all opinions, so the sheep are safe and the wolves are well fed. Tolerant, fair and respectful to all.
There's a system called Ratraii which is BGS locked with 2 factions, one of them being anarchy. As a result of this system being an excellent bounty hunting spot, the lawful controlling faction is in a permanent state of expansion. This sort of stuff is just the way the game is. In this case, FDev seem to have gone for the simplest solution to fix the problem for the player base as a whole. I wouldn't expect more to be honest.
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Huh. Really, why should those who get their permits worry about other players who will have additional problems from the current decision.
It's convenient, isn't it? Your shirt is closer to your body. Double standards, such as they are.
To whom?
To the random Jon Doe that wanted to complete his collection of permits while he has no idea of bgs and of your "claim" to the space around Peregrina?
There is no option to do that.
And if you think you can force FD to accept a solution from you, you are mistaken.
That's the hole point around this subject. You are acting like Don Quijote while fighting with the wind.
You have a permit system in your backyard. It's your responsibility to maintain the permit acquisition while nurturing your faction.
oh, can this only be for you? clear ..
Interesting case, we have contacted a lot of people really from all stages. But those who started this thread suddenly had the right to force FD? Marvelous. A truly entertaining double standards against your undesirables.
There are no intolerant players- stop thinking that the BGS is so static, and that FD, 'those players' or anyone else owes you a favour because you have a certain text string in certain places.
FD made a choice that trumped yours. Its not going to be changed back, not for you, not for Russia, not for me, not for cats or any other factor.
Your 'gameplay' is the BGS- so when you say 'This isn't the abstract BGS you're trying to talk about' it is really.
So those who created this thread, without thinking about the interests of other players, can change the rules of the game, and we have no right to disagree and offer an option that would suit everyone?
It's just a fairy tale of disrespect for the same players, in the same universe.
You're really trying to boil it down to not giving anything about some group's interests, we were given permissions and they can do what they want. That's really not caring about people. It all looks cool from the outside, as long as it's not about you and your particular factions, groups, friends, gameplay, entertainment.
It doesn't matter, very few players really care. You might as well complain about the number of systems Eurybia Blue Mafia expand into.
This whole situation demonstrates once again what the players really are.
Our group has never interfered with anyone else's play before, we have never interfered with anyone else's boundaries, we have never interfered with cooperation and communication, and we have always tried to find a solution that is convenient for ALL.
Have proposed such a variant and this time, defend it, with respect for all here and their points of view.
In response, only spitting, intolerance, selfishness and a wonderful double standards.
A little off-topic. I am not a native English speaker, and I sincerely hope that you understand everything I say correctly and that the meaning is not distorted by translation.
We've never complained, we have dealt with that problem acting strictly by the game's rules. Others here did start whining and got the god mode from the devs. But breaking the game rules is okay because they are good and want to win always, no matter the cost, and all the rest can... suffer.
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