Did you also park across the lines using up 4 different parking spaces?It's like taking a Ferrari to Tesco to pick up some milk and bread
Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12
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Again I play and enjoy a lot of games.
But for the space game genre (that is my preferred genre of game since Ark of Captain Blood), I tried all others and, for me, they are all below SC. So, why should I let SC die while in this specific genre, it's already the best game for me ?
No, it's pretty AND enjoyable to play AND fun. Pretty is just one important aspect of SC, not the only one. Solo COD games are pretty but I don't play them (despite being fond of FPS). Don't say that being pretty is not important for gamers because it is. For me, bugs are not a problem at all as long as the pleasure of playing is is greater than the inconvenience. And for making an alpha for my main game, I've played a wonderfull beta called Seed that didn't survive it's first year of release. It was a wonderful experience and I'm glad I've maximised my time of play with the beta.
The actual history of CR is that he give me an alpha I already enjoy to play more than other released games. Perhaps 3 years ago it could have been a valid point but now, I'm beyond looking at CR's past and just look at the present.
I don't understand. I love CP77 and I think it's a great AAA game. I only started recently because I was waiting for some more patches. CP77 is not bad, CP77 is good and I hope that CIG can get at least the same quality for SQ42.
No tragedy at all. SC is just a game and since several decades I've ended (forced or by choice) a lot of games I was heavily invested in (EQ, Shadowbane, Ryzom, Neocron, PS1, AO, etc).
If you think I'm invested in SC you should have seen what I was doing in Ryzom or AO. I was a young guild leader with plenty of time. Now I'm just a random player just enjoying the game with few friends. I'm invested but I do not have faith, only trust in CIG.
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A disgraceful lack of trust on display…
Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/qtf5vp/i_really_tried_vent/
Clearly this is the way…
Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/qtf5vp/i_really_tried_vent/hkjqyb5/?context=3
Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/qtf5vp/i_really_tried_vent/
Clearly this is the way…
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SC is only a game. If CIG fail, we'll just have a game disappearing, nothing more. If children´s education fail, it makes broken adults.
You talk about it like it's something important for humankind or society. It's not, it's a leasure.
Gaming companies can have no consequences and zero accountability, education cannot.
Well, maybe i misjudge you, but then, maybe you misjudge me?
Regarding this bit though...
But I do think you need to temper your enthusiasm and expectations based on CR's full history, and not just the part you want to pay attention to. But even the part you DO pay attention to should lead you to question what the end result will be. It may end up being a good game, but a game built on lies and deception, which we have covered before with you. If you are ok with that, and a product that is a lot less than what it was sold to be, then fair enough. But then, don't try and sell it as more than it actually is. A buggy alpha that isn't even 10th complete.
"Come back in a couple of years" - something people have been saying since the start.
Normally they do though. They have contracts with their publishers and a failed or bad game can destroy a development company. They are accountable to those funding them.
What you actually describe is CIG. They will be no consequences for them should they fail (unless they can be shown to have done something legally wrong) and they have zero accountability to their backers.
When Chris Roberts said all those years ago he would treat backers with the same respect he would give a publisher it was one of the few times he actually told the truth, although perhaps unwittingly. CR doesn't respect publishers (or backers). He took money earmarked for Freelancer to make the Wing Commander movie. He thinks he has no responsibility towards those who give him money and they should just keep giving him as much as he needs. Afterwards, he writes a post-mortem about how he was overly ambitious and wishes someone had sat him down and told him to focus (he's also on record saying he gets rid of people who tell him things shouldn't be done - so he gets rid of those who might sit him down and tell him to focus). He's done this time and again.
That is the man you have entrusted with your money. That is the man you believe will deliver your dream game.
CIG is accountable to itself. If CIG fail, it will happen as you describe it : the destruction of a development company.
Don't think there is no pressure on CIG or CR, having a company paying 700 salaries puts pressure on its managers.
Ah yes, being accountable to itself. CR being accountable to himself. Yes, i can see that working really well.
Meanwhile CR is enriching himself and his family all without delivering a product. And if he fails, he will take the money and do something else. He failed as a game dev with Freelancer and went into the movie industry, which worked until he mess with Kevin Costner and left that. Now he is back to games. I'm sure if CIG go belly up he will be just fine.
You think a narcissist like CR cares about the people who work for him?
Im sure there is a lot of pressure on the people below him. I'm sure CR feels pressure from himself to succeed, but don't confuse that with what will happen if things go belly up. He will find others to blame for the failure, for lacking his vision, and say how he wished someone else had sat him down and told him to focus. Its never CR's fault.
Like a BMW driver!Of course...I've got a disabled badge, I could park it anywhere and anyhow I liked
Where big money and big promises are involved, some people’s lives will always be affected negatively if those promises aren’t fulfilled:
Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/qeyul6/most_gameplay_and_features_by_end_of_2019_joe/hhxiyq2/
Etc etc etc.
Caveat emptor puts some of the blame on the purchaser. But the snake oil salesman sure ain’t an innocent party in the process...
Lol. No.
I used to know a joke about BMW's and hedgehogs...the difference between them being that the hedgehog has the pr**ks on the outsideLike a BMW driver!
Early days.
Strange that this leaves out the part that roberts said "hopefully" they will be able to have thousands of players all in the same area.
Strange that this leaves out the part that roberts said "hopefully" they will be able to have thousands of players all in the same area.
Just another disclaimer. I mean, great in a way they do say "maybe", "hopefully", but at this point it seems more like they put the disclaimers to ensure they can't be done legally rather than an actual belief they can actually deliver on any of it.
And its not like they haven't for years hyped and led people to believe they will one day get those hundreds or even thousands of player battles. I'm sure there have been a few statements from Erin and Chris over the years about thousands of player battles. That's one of the things people gave them money for.
Turns out, it doesn't look likely its going to happen, ever.
This is the cycle CIG have got themselves into.
Hype features they don't know they can deliver on
Keep hyping it
Eventually start to deliver
Actual implementation is limited but "Tier 0"
CIG walk back on their earlier hype
Backers absolve CIG and retcon history to say CIG never promised it, it was just something they hoped to achieve.
Turns out you can be as ambitious as you want and hype things as much as you want even if you have no clue how to do it. Backers will absolve you anyway if you fail to deliver on it.
Strange that this leaves out the part that roberts said "hopefully" they will be able to have thousands of players all in the same area.
Strange that you’d come in to bat for Chris’s utter nonsense.
But if it helps, the more they’ve failed to achieve it, the more certain Chris has got that they will…
Chris Roberts (October 2020)
There’s plenty more quotes like that if you want…
(With the same quality of hard sell, and bonus missed deadlines. All the fan favourites
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Welcome to game development!
Things can drastically change over the course of the development of a singular feature that can change the very nature of said feature!