Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

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Pay no attention to what we said when we sold you the ship. That was years ago anyway. You can't hold us accountable for things we said years ago. We said things could change. PS: Buy this new ship, it will definitely be like we say it will be and we definitely won't change it in the future, unless we do, but then we did tell you things could change.

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Pay no attention to what we said when we sold you the ship. That was years ago anyway. You can't hold us accountable for things we said years ago. We said things could change. PS: Buy this new ship, it will definitely be like we say it will be and we definitely won't change it in the future, unless we do, but then we did tell you things could change.

Pledge now.
They do say that everything from the concept sale like stats and all is subject to change
 
They do say that everything from the concept sale like stats and all is subject to change

Indeed they do, everything is subject to change, and backers are expected to give money and not complain when things change that are not to their liking.

For example, DoaS is something Little Ant says he likes the idea of and one of the reasons he pledged. But its subject to change. What happens if CIG decide they are no longer going with that. What if they go for the ED model? Just respawn and carry on. Does LA say its ok, he's fine with it, because that's CR's new vision? Or does he get upset because its not the game he pledged for?

What do you like in the planned design of SC? What if they decided to change that? At what point would you change your song from "they do say that things are subject to change" to "I'm not happy"?

Where does the line get drawn?
 
In other news, refunds sub has just reached 12,000 subscribers.

12,000 FUDsters who don't understand AAAAAAA fidelity development.

Time to celebrate!

🍿 🥳🎉
 
In other news, refunds sub has just reached 12,000 subscribers.

12,000 FUDsters who don't understand AAAAAAA fidelity development.

Time to celebrate!

🍿 🥳🎉
As many flaws the game has, that subreddit is always very hilarious to look into. Their quotes album seriously borders on being unhealthily obsessed with the whole project. And then the open calls of support of sending Roberts to Prison. It's interesting to say the least.
 

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I would say your idea of chess is just a bit uninformed. I don't see any complexity in ED, and I'm talking about the game mechanics, not the underlying rules. These are unnecessarily complicated in ED, with no real game value derived from them
I don’t think my view is uninformed at all but I do honestly think your view about elite’s exploration is quite narrow indeed, and probably ignores a big chunk of that gameplay. Guess we can at least agree to disagree.
 
As many flaws the game has, that subreddit is always very hilarious to look into. Their quotes album seriously borders on being unhealthily obsessed with the whole project. And then the open calls of support of sending Roberts to Prison. It's interesting to say the least.

Ok, so you've seen the quotes and say they are bordering on unhealthy, a comment about Q&W who makes the quotes album rather than a comment on their contents. I normally say at this point "Typical faithful, disparaging a person who is being critical rather than addressing the criticism itself"

So, how about instead of doing that, why not address the criticism?

For example, allow me to bring up my personal favourite.

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What does that say to you?

1) CR knew it was a load of tosh and deliberately lied to backers?
2) CR didn't know, meaning he had no idea about the true state of the project and is therefore woefully incompetent at his job?
3) Something else?

Please do not bring up the vote and the scope change (sorry to preempt you, but its a pretty common response). The vote was a crock of manure and we could go into that, but suffice to say, the vote took place long before CR said this. And he said orignally pledged for, so it doesn't even cover the expanded scope that they started adding from 2015 onwards. He's either talking about the 5.5 million funding goal (at an absoloute strech) or the 65 million funding goal (possibly), and here we are, in 2021, and backers still don't have the games they pledged for at 5.5 million. SQ42 is still MIA and SC is still nothing like the game promised for 5.5 million.
 
Ok, so you've seen the quotes and say they are bordering on unhealthy, a comment about Q&W who makes the quotes album rather than a comment on their contents. I normally say at this point "Typical faithful, disparaging a person who is being critical rather than addressing the criticism itself"

So, how about instead of doing that, why not address the criticism?

For example, allow me to bring up my personal favourite.

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What does that say to you?

1) CR knew it was a load of tosh and deliberately lied to backers?
2) CR didn't know, meaning he had no idea about the true state of the project and is therefore woefully incompetent at his job?
3) Something else?

Please do not bring up the vote and the scope change (sorry to preempt you, but its a pretty common response). The vote was a crock of manure and we could go into that, but suffice to say, the vote took place long before CR said this. And he said orignally pledged for, so it doesn't even cover the expanded scope that they started adding from 2015 onwards. He's either talking about the 5.5 million funding goal (at an absoloute strech) or the 65 million funding goal (possibly), and here we are, in 2021, and backers still don't have the games they pledged for at 5.5 million. SQ42 is still MIA and SC is still nothing like the game promised for 5.5 million.
Yeah, he was lying. They probably "wanted" to get the game out in that timeframe but horrendous mismanagement ensued.

Then we get to this whole "faithful" "cultist" stuff. While the people from refunds always like to call SC Backers a "cult" they've been turning into one aswell,
 
Ok, so you've seen the quotes and say they are bordering on unhealthy, a comment about Q&W who makes the quotes album rather than a comment on their contents. I normally say at this point "Typical faithful, disparaging a person who is being critical rather than addressing the criticism itself"

So, how about instead of doing that, why not address the criticism?

For example, allow me to bring up my personal favourite.

5pJHb60.png


What does that say to you?

1) CR knew it was a load of tosh and deliberately lied to backers?
2) CR didn't know, meaning he had no idea about the true state of the project and is therefore woefully incompetent at his job?
3) Something else?

Please do not bring up the vote and the scope change (sorry to preempt you, but its a pretty common response). The vote was a crock of manure and we could go into that, but suffice to say, the vote took place long before CR said this. And he said orignally pledged for, so it doesn't even cover the expanded scope that they started adding from 2015 onwards. He's either talking about the 5.5 million funding goal (at an absoloute strech) or the 65 million funding goal (possibly), and here we are, in 2021, and backers still don't have the games they pledged for at 5.5 million. SQ42 is still MIA and SC is still nothing like the game promised for 5.5 million.
Because the liar's and fraud's apologists want you to forget about it. Whataboutism is to wash out and blur what is acceptable and not.
 
Yeah, he was lying. They probably "wanted" to get the game out in that timeframe but horrendous mismanagement ensued.
So if that was the case then (to paraphrase another long-time backer who is also critical of the project) what makes you think Lucy is going to let Charlie Brown kick the football this time? Or the next? The album of quotes is full of such examples, yet the unhealthy ones are the backers (former and current) in that sub who are attempting accountability, (edit) as opposed to the ones who are hanging on based on faith and Einstein's definition of insanity.
 
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I mean, what sense has it pandering on about a statment that was made 6 years ago? Yeah, he lied. It is what it is, the game we have now is what we have now.

To warn people who might otherwise fall for the latest lie...

It's not like he's stopped talking outlandish nonsense to sell the game.

Recent case in point ;)

Chris Roberts (October 2020)

Server Meshing is another big technical milestone ahead of us. It’s dependent on iCache, as that allows the various servers in the mesh to utilize a unified snapshot of the state of the universe, but we have been working on this over the past few years and hope to have the first iteration in players’ hands by next year. This will allow us to greatly expand the number of the players beyond 50 to thousands concurrently in the same “instance” as the tech will spin up additional servers to handle the simulation load in an area as the player count increases. This is when Star Citizen becomes a true Massively Multiplayer Game.

But there's loads more. As the giant list of images on the refunds sub testifies ;)
 
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Pay no attention to what we said when we sold you the ship. That was years ago anyway. You can't hold us accountable for things we said years ago. We said things could change. PS: Buy this new ship, it will definitely be like we say it will be and we definitely won't change it in the future, unless we do, but then we did tell you things could change.

Pledge now.
He's right though ;)
 
To be honest, i'm a bit of an exploration "gatekeeper" in ED. When people say they are exploring by running around the galaxy in 70LY range ships just to go to Beagle Point or some nebula i tell them they are not exploring. I tell them they are sightseeing. I say explorers seek out sights nobody else has seen, try and make discoveries.

Actually, basically what you said matches what i consider to be exploration :D

So i do gatekeep, but you get to pass the gate 🥳
What? I'm doing it wrong then. Mostly I see M-class dwarfs with some uninteresting ice-balls.
 
Ok, so you've seen the quotes and say they are bordering on unhealthy, a comment about Q&W who makes the quotes album rather than a comment on their contents. I normally say at this point "Typical faithful, disparaging a person who is being critical rather than addressing the criticism itself"

So, how about instead of doing that, why not address the criticism?

For example, allow me to bring up my personal favourite.

5pJHb60.png


What does that say to you?

1) CR knew it was a load of tosh and deliberately lied to backers?
2) CR didn't know, meaning he had no idea about the true state of the project and is therefore woefully incompetent at his job?
3) Something else?

Please do not bring up the vote and the scope change (sorry to preempt you, but its a pretty common response). The vote was a crock of manure and we could go into that, but suffice to say, the vote took place long before CR said this. And he said orignally pledged for, so it doesn't even cover the expanded scope that they started adding from 2015 onwards. He's either talking about the 5.5 million funding goal (at an absoloute strech) or the 65 million funding goal (possibly), and here we are, in 2021, and backers still don't have the games they pledged for at 5.5 million. SQ42 is still MIA and SC is still nothing like the game promised for 5.5 million.
Pointing out that the idiot Roberts is actually an idiot doesn't count :D
 
And did you ask them about these things? Or you just assumed the issue was because of the SSD/swap file?
I never said "Its because you don't have" but "check your pagefile". If it's OK, it's the game fault. If not, modify it.
When someone come and describe stutter or crash with a 16GB ram computer and a SSD, we ask him to check the pagefile because it's the first thing to do and it resolves the problem for a lot of guys.

You said he shouldn't have freezing, he needs XYZ, basically absolving the game of any issues and placing the blame on the person's computer.
I never said that the game is not at fault. But before saying the game is at fault, he must check his pagefile. Nothing more. Computer have history and some misconfigurations can occur without even the owner knowing something is misconfigured.
 
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