It's all about fairness. Even if there is more than enough supply, the real challenge was hauling it over to the station, 33k SL away from the star. The data guys only have to always go to the same place and don't have to co-ordinate with anyone, and they can even yeet themselves to the ground and do fast-travel to their hand-over station without losing their goods.
COMPLETED CG Support the Scriveners Dredger Update Initiative (Trade)
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I don't disagree, but if a goal was set that exceeded more of the goods than would have been available across the bubble over the course of the week I think it would have moved a bit past "unfair". I don't mind if a CG is hard. I don't even mind if it loses. If it was numerically impossible to start with I might not be so happy.
I'm happy they addressed it, although I suspect that leaves a longer term glut of these goods around, which I hope does not now cause problems. I don't know how complex the economic modelling in the BGS is, e.g. do stations consume goods to produce other goods like in X3? (I suspect not with no NPC goods trafficking, but am not sure).
If this was the case, then data harvest would win easily imo. The real challenge was to try to organise players across all game modes to cooperate and use what game gives them at disposal. Doing this CG as lone wolfes was certain recipe for losing.
And organizing the carriers worked out amazingly. I got caught up in it only for the last three days when I finally switched system chat back on - but all of you were amazing. Especially (but not restricted to) the carrier owners who were courting with bankruptcy by offering up to 1000% gal average as buy price in the loading systems. And yes, you apparently can squeeze two cutters through the slot (one incoming, one outgoing) at the same time 
. I'm still not sure whether this was due to the usual instancing issues, though.
. I'm still not sure whether this was due to the usual instancing issues, though.
25 NOV 3307
Pilots’ Federation ALERT
The Scriveners Clan dredger has been fully repaired, following twin initiatives in the HIP 43670 system.
A campaign by supporters of the Scriveners Clan delivered emergency power cells, power converters and power transfer buses to the Alliance of HIP 42371 at Oramus Terminal. A spokesperson for the group announced:
“As a result of our efforts, the dredger has received sufficient supplies to effect repairs. Most importantly, the new power systems mean it will shortly be able to bypass Orion University’s override codes and be free to travel the galaxy once more.”
A parallel campaign by Orion University’s partner Independent HIP 43670 Labour requested deliveries of anomalous bulk scan data, unusual encrypted files and unidentified scan archives to Shaara Gateway in HIP 43670. However, these were not sufficient to convince the nomadic tribe to agree to its offer of sharing future discoveries.
Vice Chancellor Leland Pettigrew expressed his regret, but confirmed that Orion University will honour the outcome and withdraw its claim over the dredger.
Contributors to both initiatives can now collect their rewards from Shaara Gateway or Oramus Terminal in the HIP 43670 system.
We won and there going to jump out soon...
Pilots’ Federation ALERT
The Scriveners Clan dredger has been fully repaired, following twin initiatives in the HIP 43670 system.
A campaign by supporters of the Scriveners Clan delivered emergency power cells, power converters and power transfer buses to the Alliance of HIP 42371 at Oramus Terminal. A spokesperson for the group announced:
“As a result of our efforts, the dredger has received sufficient supplies to effect repairs. Most importantly, the new power systems mean it will shortly be able to bypass Orion University’s override codes and be free to travel the galaxy once more.”
A parallel campaign by Orion University’s partner Independent HIP 43670 Labour requested deliveries of anomalous bulk scan data, unusual encrypted files and unidentified scan archives to Shaara Gateway in HIP 43670. However, these were not sufficient to convince the nomadic tribe to agree to its offer of sharing future discoveries.
Vice Chancellor Leland Pettigrew expressed his regret, but confirmed that Orion University will honour the outcome and withdraw its claim over the dredger.
Contributors to both initiatives can now collect their rewards from Shaara Gateway or Oramus Terminal in the HIP 43670 system.
We won and there going to jump out soon...
A shame in some ways, but Orion just came off as hella dodgy. I really couldn't support a side that opens negotiations by using override codes to lock down the other ship.
Ok. At start I thought, that is is breaking scrivs's legs too, but after some time...
Who care distance to station in era of carriers
You know, that you could jump with your carrier to any station, and load it with few ultra short cruises, like "engage cruise...5s later...drop), with some coop with other people you could repeat it in CG system (or just jump to secondary star)Go to system A
Jump as close to station, as you can.
Loads with 4mm cruise.
Jump to B system.
Jump close to station (maybe not station...but secondary star maybe?)
Unload with 4mm cruise.
After 1 day hand of god added unlimited supply ("few" stations with millions supply)
So we had 4mm vs 730ls
But if we ignore whole "we are good guys, freedom for some random ship in videogame" stuff.
Possibility to trade with help of carriers
Better profit (yes, better, add to bonus from trade money from regular trade)
More people
And also...it is only my opinion, because for me relog farm is poop, and trade is booooring- during trade, you could use assist, docking computer, and watch movie. Meanwhile relog farm require log in, target, scan, log out, repeat for hour, so it draw more attention, so you have less "space" for watching movies
Meanwhile FC owners had even better times! They could just jump, set buy/sell orders, and wait for unloads, so huge help in CG without trucking
Are we sure, that it was biased CG, and that is was bias in favour of orion?
PS: players again made choice.
They again picked status quo (at least, untill we will find dredger without crew, and data core after few weeks, but it will be frontier's story, not players choice)
Speak for yourself. I picked the side that didn't use Mafia methods and took a whole megaship hostage - even if they call themselves a "University".
By not obtaining their discoveries, it means we will miss out on some unique new modules. You lose some, you win some.
Nothing about this CG suggested unique modules were a likely outcome, whichever way it went.
Now you're being reasonable, that's unfair
They don't have to state how it will change future progress.
Fancy graphs showing how balanced this was til Sunday
And this here, is exactly why trade won.
A couple of CMDRs (not me) got a bunch of us -motivated- and organized (well as much a cats can be herder anyway).
As i mentioned upthread (or maybe in another one) its the first CG i've taken part in where i saw people acting as a community
Doesn't change fact, that it is status quo, sorry bro.
Also, I have 0 contribution in both CGs.
Doing it 15k ly from bubble is difficult task. And both things are too boring for me. Trade? Relog gahtering? Meh. Looking at growing grass is more fascinating.
But I will remember.
If someone will seize your house tou can't throw them away- it is mafia method!
PS: It was their ship, I don't care, that crew made new, crewmans
Sounds like a University to me.....
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OK - late response (sorry - busy week). Don't see it as "Hand of god", see it as a manufacturer responding to increased demand, but with a bit of lag as they ramp up production - you know, like what happens in the real world!
Anyway - all done now, on to the pew-pew (if that's your thing)
The data side didn't need group collaboration at all - you can't store data on carriers, but you can "haul" it in a max-range DBX or any other ship, since it doesn't take space or add weight.
That means they could each work individually, as they did to great effect in the first few days.
Also, data can't be intercepted at the unload side and destroyed to prevent delivery.
And data is not lost when one's ship blows up.
The cargo, on the other hand, did fall victim to both types of griefing - and still won. Imagine how different those graphs would look, if all of the cargo had made it to the intended destination?
Based on the information we have, there's no reason to believe that Orion would share with the rest of the population - they only demanded that the Scriveners share with them. And in the absence of any other information, their method of "negotiation" suggests that it was more likely that they wouldn't - once they got what they wanted, they'd dump the Scriveners in a back alley and deny any knowledge of having slipped anything into their drinks...
They do, if you want to draw any conclusions about it - otherwise, you're just speculating wildly. One can only draw conclusions based on the information we have.
Your comparison is... not good. They haven't seized the house I was living in - the Scriveners are the descendants of the tenants that were living in a house my grandparents have been renting out 220 years ago and which they (my grandparents) subsequently failed to maintain (or mention in their will). And yes, in that case I would consider it Mafia methods if I were to go and nail up all the doors and windows, stopping these descendants from leaving and forcing them to starve unless they handed over my grandparent's safe and everything they added to it.
Admittedly, that comparison is hardly better - but, at least in Europe, anything involving descendants of squatters from 220 years ago is a political nightmare
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