Do you think they created the hospital environments in isolation? They're still part of Ci¬G...that's what I'm saying. You keep referring to Turbulent like an independent studio who just happened to have been thrown some casual unimportant side jobs by Ci¬G. They may well be an independent game studio in the near future since they're very open about their plans outside of Star Citizen work...but not yet.
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Got it in one...perhaps I should use less words and just type what I meant in the first placeThat's fine, CIG don't create gameplay loops either
I think partially what Mole is getting at is while Turbulent are contractors, while they are contracted, they are effectively part of CIG. Maybe i misunderstand.
Seeing the Calder's money hard at work. Funny how not a single mention of alpha there, only early access. Everything makes it sound like its a fully playable game that is still under development (hardly unusual these days). Playable now (for a given amount of playable). Living and Breathing Universe (that is comprised of one small system). But give money to get more ships.
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Yeah, fully agree on the work scope part. I am just trying to understand if I may have missed any info regarding the 700 staff part.Turbulent have certainly said they've been working on SC for quite some time...in a development role, even programming and designing their own dev tools as opposed to the website thing...taken from the same Turbulent round table video. I know I keep quoting the same source, I took notice of what was being said and by whom...it was certainly very interesting from my point of view
But I have no friends and I'd be writing it on paper
If I'm going to spend hundreds of pounds / euro on a jpeg I at least want joy joy feelings looking at the jpeg.
I'm only making a common sense (to me) judgement that when Ci¬G talk of staff numbers, they include other internal studios...just like they count the various spread out studios in other countries, Frankfurt, Wilmslow, Austin etc... On the roadmap, Turbulent's work load is marked with an (MTL) tag or something like that but Firesprite as outside contractors are marked clearly as such...I'll try and dig an image out, may make more sense when viewed that way. If Turbulent were classed as outside contractors, they'd be marked up clearly as Turbulent Team...or similar.
Highlighted in lighter blue...MTL (Montreal) Sandbox 1 (11 deliverables). There are more MTL's on the list...that's just one.
And Firesprite...
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Oh dear.
That's Lethality, the guy who tries to hype up every MMO on the market and be an influencer. But remember, you can only be critical if its a Lethality approved criticism!
Spectrum is quite salty at the moment...
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Interestingly, unless I missed it, no mention about Early Access in the main website.
It hasn't been explicitly stated to date. And they don't state it explicitly in their occasional financial blogs either. They do discuss cash spent on salaries vs contracting though.
So for 2019 they said:
I guess we'll at least see how much the proportion rose for 2020. When they finally get around to posting it...
It hasn't been explicitly stated to date. And they don't state it explicitly in their occasional financial blogs either. They do discuss cash spent on salaries vs contracting though.
So for 2019 they said:
I guess we'll at least see how much the proportion rose for 2020. When they finally get around to posting it...
Oh wow, and there's me speculating on 60 million for 2020 and it was 70 million for 2019.
CIG must be hemorrhaging money.
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That’s interesting indeed. I also remember there was some Turbulent shares acquired by either CR himself personally or CIG, can’t remember now. Either way I don’t remember it being more than 50% or otherwise a controlling stake allowing them to be counted as staff.
If I remember rightly, Ci¬G aquired 25% of Turbulent and Turbulent aquired 25% of Ci¬G in a shares equity thing I assumed was in lieu of some payment Ci¬G owed Turbulent... plus 2 seats on the board either way. It was announced last year or the year before.
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Also remember there is no balance sheet or cash flow statement in that report. It’s basically just an income statement with a spend table and a revenues table. So we can not see the impact of any outstanding debt or moneys due to investors that may have been part of their investment agreement. For example.
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I took a look into the 'Are Turb doing PU content / gameplay?' thing a while back:
They do have game designers involved in their PU teams at least. But no programmers. Feels like they must work in conjunction with CIG staff. Possibly designing the locations to work with new functionality etc.
They do have game designers involved in their PU teams at least. But no programmers. Feels like they must work in conjunction with CIG staff. Possibly designing the locations to work with new functionality etc.
Yeah I finally had a look into their PU team, and it does look possible:
MTL Sandbox 1 (previously Modular - MTL)
Although it seems they're primarily on assets, with just as few tasks with designers attached:
They're all art teams alone, with the exception of these 3:
Bit weird for there to be no engineers etc attached to any of that. Makes me wonder if they're just designing locations for existing gameplay primarily.
But the 'Tier 0' tag on Hospitals does kinda suggest that they're going to be the 'stuff for now' guys in the PU. While the true miracles are performed over in SQ42 land...
I guess the SQ42-friendly doctors & nurses stuff lined up for 3.15 is what's supposed to fill the scenes they're building:
If Turb really are the PU heroes for now though, then there's a bit of a gap until their next novel content. Building Interiors and Derelict Spaceship POI scheduled for Q2 2022...
(But hey long way to go. Let's see if 3.15 even goes live in Q3 first
Which is strange in itself. A straight 25% swap would indicate either equivalent value or one side needs the other side more or owed them. On one side a company that was a few years ago valued at over 400 million dollars vs a small web and media company with around 100 employees at the time of unknown valuation.....
So yes, maybe CIG owned Turbulent big time, because on the face of it, their shares would not be equal in value OR CIG was massively overvalued by Calder.
Not at all my view on the studio. They are not independant (technically and even financially as CIG is their main customer) and they are super important for CIG.
The important part in your phrase is "Do you think they created the hospital environments in isolation?"
For now, they can't create maps in isolation. The team is fresh and they are new in the CIG workflow and I think they are also the first ones to use externally the tools created by CIG. So they are heavily dependant of CIG technicaly to release. And CIG+Turbulent have to upgrade the tools to support the future workflow and all the ideas a Studio like Turbulent can have to improve the workflow.
But the goal for them and CIG is effectively to be able to create maps/planets/systems in a relative isolation. That's the goal of all content creators (whatever project you work for), to not be tied to the dev guys.
I can't find the reference but for what I remember, Turbulent acquired far less that 25%. It was one digit % but I don't remember the exact number.
Could well be... since I don't pay much attention to the business dealings of either company bar what's posted on here...I just play the game and watch a video here and there