❄️ Planet Zoo: Europe Pack arriving 14 December ❄️

[Ounze]

Still going to buy this pack, but the only choice I love, is the Lynx. Alpine Ibex I can see and understand. We need more goats, and in European, the only ones that really looks different is the Caucasian Turs (Two species). Though I would have preferred the Spanish Ibex since one subspecies that is extinct has actually been ressurected before, for 12 minutes.
I would have preferred the Red Deer (Cervus elaphus) over the Fallow, because I doubt they'll be giving us Elk (Cervus canadensis). And the European Badger over the wolverine? Really hope we get the Wolverine at one point.
Last, I get that that the European Fire Salamander is iconic, but so are Alpine Newts. Though that said, since Alpine Newts can bioflouresce (Bright green under a blacklight) I'd rather wait for the team to figure out how to do that.

All that said, I like all of the choices enough to buy the pack and keep all of them. So good work!

 

[Firestar97]

Have you tried boudan? It's real good

If you mean Boudin (Boudan only shows a Wikipedia Link to a Article about a Artist) I've never tried it. I think I've also never seen it in a Shop

Wait, so, what will be their conservation status in-game? Least concern? Or domesticated? Or both?

I doubt it will be domesticated. If you're referring to the Farm Part without the more common Color Morphs, this would also need to be applied to the Ostrich and neither of those is really domesticated. Also Frontier, fix it finally in the German Version please. Domesticated and tame are far from being the same

The Bactrian camel, a trully domesticated animal, is LC in the game, so... (And it's not the wild camel because that would be CR)

What? Did they change it? But it is domesticated. No Zoo in the entire World is keeping the remaining one of the 2 wild Species of Bactrian Camel

 

[yoav_r]

Still going to buy this pack, but the only choice I love, is the Lynx. Alpine Ibex I can see and understand. We need more goats, and in European, the only ones that really looks different is the Caucasian Turs (Two species). Though I would have preferred the Spanish Ibex since one subspecies that is extinct has actually been ressurected before, for 12 minutes.
I would have preferred the Red Deer (Cervus elaphus) over the Fallow, because I doubt they'll be giving us Elk (Cervus canadensis). And the European Badger over the wolverine? Really hope we get the Wolverine at one point.
Last, I get that that the European Fire Salamander is iconic, but so are Alpine Newts. Though that said, since Alpine Newts can bioflouresce (Bright green under a blacklight) I'd rather wait for the team to figure out how to do that.

All that said, I like all of the choices enough to buy the pack and keep all of them. So good work!

The Spanish Ibex... an extinct animal (even a briefly ressurected one) is a no from me.

 

[TheYeti]

The Spanish Ibex... an extinct animal (even a briefly ressurected one) is a no from me.

Just looked this up since I was fascinated by the story. Turns out the Spanish ibex has four subspecies, two of which are still alive. It's least concern.

 

[DarthQuell]

What? Did they change it? But it is domesticated. No Zoo in the entire World is keeping the remaining one of the 2 wild Species of Bactrian Camel

What is the difference between a true wild Bactrian camel and a feral population? Could the feral population theoretically boost the wild population if they were to interbreed? I mean, they're the same species, much like wild boars and domestic pigs are the same thing

 

[DarthQuell]

If you mean Boudin (Boudan only shows a Wikipedia Link to a Article about a Artist) I've never tried it. I think I've also never seen it in a Shop

Oh, misspelled it, oops; I spelled it like it sounds. Well, here's a link of what it is: https://www.thespruceeats.com/what-is-boudin-4782417

 

[jvandiver1991]

Here I'm referring to the fallow deer. It's ranges are as follow:

1. Unquestionably native
2. Native status unknown (either the earliest introductions or early Holocene range)
3. Introductions before 1900
4. Introductions from 1900 onward

So either Frontier is banking on early Holocene ranges for the Mediterranean, or they consider Turkey to be part of Europe.

Just as I thought you meant. I’d agree or I’d say they’re banking on its spread across broader Europe over the centuries covering it only be native to Turkey, which seems likelier. And not an unfounded thought; records have fallow deer being brought to England in the 1st century AD, as one example.

 

[jvandiver1991]

I’m sure I’ll sound some kind of ignorant to someone for saying it, but I own that ignorance; I don’t play many games. But for me, a solid 50% of why I enjoy PZ so much is simply because of the dev team. I’ve never known of a team that was more respectful of, or attuned to, their audience. The Europe pack is one example (just because so many people said it wasn’t a good idea at this time or even at all), but to me, the best example remains the binturong. You all had that whole thing fixed in ONE DAY. If it were a triple A developer or something, they might fix it in a patch months on from when an issue like that would first be pointed out; you had it covered in a day. There are other examples, but all to say, you are all spectacular and I appreciate all your efforts.

 

[Cynogale bennettii II]

What is the difference between a true wild Bactrian camel and a feral population? Could the feral population theoretically boost the wild population if they were to interbreed? I mean, they're the same species, much like wild boars and domestic pigs are the same thing

The true wild camel and the domestic Bactrian camel are actually two completely different species, despite their similar appearances - it is now thought that they last shared a common ancestor over a million years ago. They do have some differences in appearance, with the wild camel being slightly smaller and having smaller humps, shorter wool and a flatter skull (the local Mongolians call wild camels flat-heads).

 

[yoav_r]

The true wild camel and the domestic Bactrian camel are actually two completely different species, despite their similar appearances - it is now thought that they last shared a common ancestor over a million years ago.

Source on that? I'd like to read more about it and how they split.

 

[markun]

I’ve never known of a team that was more respectful of, or attuned to, their audience. The Europe pack is one example (just because so many people said it wasn’t a good idea at this time or even at all), but to me, the best example remains the binturong. You all had that whole thing fixed in ONE DAY. If it were a triple A developer or something, they might fix it in a patch months on from when an issue like that would first be pointed out; you had it covered in a day. There are other examples, but all to say, you are all spectacular and I appreciate all your efforts.

I agree and hope they extend this to the Malayan tapir which really does need their attention too.

 

[Firestar97]

What is the difference between a true wild Bactrian camel and a feral population? Could the feral population theoretically boost the wild population if they were to interbreed? I mean, they're the same species, much like wild boars and domestic pigs are the same thing

They are not the same Species. There are 2 Species of wild Bactrian Camel. One of them is extinct and the Domesticated one is a Descendant of the extinct Species. They really shouldn't hybridize unless the Species gets so rare that it is the only Chance to save it.
I think due to the other Species being gone, it's fine for the domesticated one staying in the Wild as long as it doesn't appear in the Range of the wild ones

the local Mongolians call wild camels flat-heads

Thanks, didn't know this
Would be so cool if wild Bactrian Camels would be bred in Zoos someday because it wouldn't only increase their Numbers but I also really like how they look

 

[Aramar]

Oh, it seems they are going to showcase not only the animals but also the countries in social media. They've started with Italy:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1468626504900878339

 

[Firestar97]

Oh, it seems they are going to showcase not only the animals but also the countries in social media. They've started with Italy:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1468626504900878339

Really nice. I'm already excited to see the German Set because it will most likely become one of my most used Sets. Those are some really nice new Objects. It would be nice if we could also see some of the new Plants in the upcoming Pictures (I hope we won't just get the 3 that are mentioned on the Steam Page and also a Grape Vine Version that actually has Grapes on it. Some Barrels would be nice too. If we get domesticated Animals like Donkeys, we could do a really nice little Vineyard themed Park that Way)

 

[Aramar]

Interesting, the bridge on the new picture is much wider than the bridge of the trailer, so it must be made of modular pieces and not a single piece! I also spot a new clock. And those stairs might be a new piece since they look too perfect to be made of small wood pieces.

Oh this week is going to be funny

 

[Veah]

What? Did they change it? But it is domesticated. No Zoo in the entire World is keeping the remaining one of the 2 wild Species of Bactrian Camel

I mean, the domesticated Bactrian camel, which we have in PZ, is Least Concern according to the game Zoopedia, if I'm not mistaken. And the also domesticated llama appears as Not Evaluated. So we have two 100% domestic animals in the game and none of them has domesticated status, which answers the previous question about fallow deer. Which in any case, aren't domestic animals, even if there are farms where they are breed.

The Spanish Ibex... an extinct animal (even a briefly ressurected one) is a no from me.

Spanish ibex is far from extinct, it's very common in Spanish zoos and in the wild. The extinct and cloned was just the subspecies from the Pyrenees. And if they were to be portrayed in PZ its name wouldn't be subspecific, as the two current subspecies are almost the same. But that's just talking, we won't have any other ibex species after the European DLC... Maybe the markhor, as it's very different and from another continent.

 

[giu94]

My only problem is that red deers would have been far better looking, look at this one for example, but I hope I'll love the fallow deer too. Very excited about the new foliage too, can't wait to buy

 

[Firestar97]

I mean, the domesticated Bactrian camel, which we have in PZ, is Least Concern according to the game Zoopedia, if I'm not mistaken. And the also domesticated llama appears as Not Evaluated. So we have two 100% domestic animals in the game and none of them has domesticated status, which answers the previous question about fallow deer. Which in any case, aren't domestic animals, even if there are farms where they are breed.



Spanish ibex is far from extinct, it's very common in Spanish zoos and in the wild. The extinct and cloned was just the subspecies from the Pyrenees. And if they were to be portrayed in PZ its name wouldn't be subspecific, as the two current subspecies are almost the same. But that's just talking, we won't have any other ibex species after the European DLC... Maybe the markhor, as it's very different and from another continent.

I'm pretty sure they showed up as domesticated (tame in the German Version ) before.
Can't look it up in the Game currently due to my Computer still making Problems. I hope I'll be able to fix it soon because I need the Europe Pack as fast as possible

 

[Cynogale bennettii II]

Source on that? I'd like to read more about it and how they split.

This scientific paper provides the source for the 1.1 million year timing of the split between wild and domestic camels:

Mitogenome Sequencing in the Genus Camelus Reveals Evidence for Purifying Selection and Long-term Divergence between Wild and Domestic Bactrian Camels - PMC

The genus Camelus is an interesting model to study adaptive evolution in the mitochondrial genome, as the three extant Old World camel species inhabit hot and low-altitude as well as cold and high-altitude deserts. We sequenced 24 camel mitogenomes ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

In fact, this paper from 2009 suggests that the wild and domestic Bactrian camels may not even share a common ancestry, although it puts their split at the more recent time of 0.7 million years ago:

Monophyletic origin of domestic bactrian camel (Camelus bactrianus) and its evolutionary relationship with the extant wild camel (Camelus bactrianus ferus) - PMC

The evolutionary relationship between the domestic bactrian camel and the extant wild two-humped camel and the factual origin of the domestic bactrian camel remain elusive. We determined the sequence of mitochondrial cytb gene from 21 camel samples, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[random goat]

Super late to the party but this is massive news! So happy to finally get a goat in PZ!
Also:

After all the joy and hype from the announcement, I've had time to think about the animals and I love the choices. This is the first pack in which I wouldn't change anything (I would add more things of course).

Eurasian lynx: this was a must, and it looks great. As a Spaniard, I would have loved the Iberian lynx too, but I understand that this one is more common and offers more options for everybody. I have said it before on the forum: I want both. Let's hope the Iberian lynx is the "reskin" animal of a future endangered species pack. Since I live in Finland now, the Eurasian lynx is also good for me, and I will call the first one Lumi, of course, which means snow in Finnish,

Alpine ibex: another must-have. Yes, it might not be the most common one outside Central Europe, but it's the most iconic goat. It's somehow like giant pandas: not the most common bears in zoos, but so iconic that they deserve to be included in any zoo game.

European badger: an excellent choice, not only for the new burrows, but also because it's the first land mustelid and it has a unique face like no other animal in the game so far. That makes them very unique and I think that's why it was chosen over the wolverine: they look more unique, and cute. I think they will be the new plushies that Frontier is going to make.

European fallow deer: the big surprise, yet an obvious choice. I always knew that there would be a deer in a Europe pack, even in the darkest moments where the otter caused nightmares on the forum. It had to. As many, I was leaning towards the red deer, but I also had the fallow deer in my wishlist. I think it was chosen over the red deer because it looks more different to reindeer and moose and their range is also more different to the range of those two deer. Besides, Frontier has insisted that the new restaurants can be placed inside habitats, and what better animal for this than a fallow deer?

I'm not sure, but maybe badgers, fallow deer and ibex will be able to share an enclosure?

Fire salamander: I think this is the first time that Frontier has chosen the exhibit animal that most people wanted. After the precedents of the Asian snake, the chameleon and the axolotl, I was fearing another weird decission, but no. This time Frontier listened and delivered. I'm looking forward to see the new temperate design for the box. This is also our 30th exhibit animal, and it's a brand new one, since we didn't have any salamanders yet.

Basically, this pack is what me and many of the supporters of a European pack always asked for a standard pack: a lynx, a goat, a deer and a small animal with a big range in Europe. Some people say this pack is focused in Central-Europe, but it doesn't. It covers all Europe. 4 of the 5 animals are found in the Mediterranean. The badger also lives in Scandinavia, adding so another animal to an already more than decent line-up of animals from Northern Europe. This pack has no intruders, this pack is what it had to be. The only "but" is that 4 habitat animals has never been enough for any Planet Zoo DLC, but no worries, the red fox, the red deer and the wild boar are joining forces with the raccoon and the wolverine to make campaign for a Forest DLC, but for now, let's focus on the present and enjoy this amazing new pack.

This so much. Very well said, colega!