Cycle 340 - Hudson Strikes Back

[LDFR_Prozer]

I would imagine a bot in solo can just re-log to get a new instance, there is no need to jump around the beacon.

Wrt targets, it can probably just shoot everything in the instance - the fact that the bot is incurring large amount of non-Power bounties certainly seem to back up that possibility; either that, or there is some sophisticate hack being used.

How else can you explain an account that's active for over 24 hours continuously, consistently producing 4k/hour merits? And why would someone overdo a system by 12k? That's 3 hours of work that can be used to undermine another system.

And Murung - that's not a mystery, we have some module shoppers helping them with the prep.

Honestly the more you talk the more I think you know exactly what you talking about.

The relog, the combat bounty, the rates, the overdone have you tested all this already to know so much about?
And Tatamo - that's not a mystery, we have some module shoppers in need of merits.

 

[Intersection]

And Murung - that's not a mystery, we have some module shoppers helping them with the prep.

Oh hey, you figured it out, good job!

Now you know: more than one person can do merits at the same time!

 

[Rubbernuke]

I would imagine a bot in solo can just re-log to get a new instance, there is no need to jump around the beacon.

Wrt targets, it can probably just shoot everything in the instance - the fact that the bot is incurring large amount of non-Power bounties certainly seem to back up that possibility; either that, or there is some sophisticate hack being used.

How else can you explain an account that's active for over 24 hours continuously, consistently producing 4k/hour merits? And why would someone overdo a system by 12k? That's 3 hours of work that can be used to undermine another system.

And Murung - that's not a mystery, we have some module shoppers helping them with the prep.

The guy would be attracting billions in bounties by now (not even counting the way security would be hitting them and ATR which on destruction would pay off the bounty).

It would be impossible for a bot to do the Nav UM cleansing, first because to actually drop at the right time in such a narrow window, then identify the correct powers ships (since they are all mixed up), get to them, kill them and then do that all over again?

 

[Rubbernuke]

Oh hey, you figured it out, good job!

Now you know: more than one person can do merits at the same time!

This is a blatant lie. We all take turns and line up.

 

[Azreh Helas]

don't underestimate the Lupus Del, seriously ive seen those guys doing pvp while holding 100 k merits. They are insane.

 

[Mo Mo]

Honestly the more you talk the more I think you know exactly what you talking about.

Yes, I know exactly what I'm talking about - Hudson cheats - maybe not all of you, but certainly someone in your leadership knows what is going on and is depending on the continuing use of bots.

All I want is for FDev to step in and do a full audit of all the suspicious accounts - the ones that are online continuously for long period of time for example - and put an end to all these cheating once and for all.

 

[Mo Mo]

don't underestimate the Lupus Del, seriously ive seen those guys doing pvp while holding 100 k merits. They are insane.

Would anyone from Lupus overdo a system by 12k?

And would anyone work non-stop for over 24 hours?

 

[Khan Tannhauser]

I would imagine a bot in solo can just re-log to get a new instance, there is no need to jump around the beacon.

Wrt targets, it can probably just shoot everything in the instance - the fact that the bot is incurring large amount of non-Power bounties certainly seem to back up that possibility; either that, or there is some sophisticate hack being used.

How else can you explain an account that's active for over 24 hours continuously, consistently producing 4k/hour merits? And why would someone overdo a system by 12k? That's 3 hours of work that can be used to undermine another system.

There's no evidence that a bot can do dogfighting somewhat efficiently in Elite, so you can't automate combat in this game beyond parking your ship somewhere and using turrets at Fire at Will mode. For that to work the NPCs must shoot first, which happens in Powerplay CZs but not when UM'ing in the nav beacon.

What you're suggesting here is that a single automated account in Solo (not winged) is making 4k merits per hour by just standing still in the beacon and using turrets that won't shoot at anything, while having to relog for every instance reset. Let me doubt it.

And Murung - that's not a mystery, we have some module shoppers helping them with the prep.

After turning Torval into a zombie the honorable imperials are now doing the same with Grom. Good to know!

 

[Khan Tannhauser]

Yes, I know exactly what I'm talking about - Hudson cheats - maybe not all of you, but certainly someone in your leadership knows what is going on and is depending on the continuing use of bots.

All I want is for FDev to step in and do a full audit of all the suspicious accounts - the ones that are online continuously for long period of time for example - and put an end to all these cheating once and for all.

Dude, I'm all for FDev to do audits and fix their game but you should try to see beyond your bias before making this kind of accusations about Hudson and their leadership. Posting in this forums to vent and make up stuff is poor form.

 

[Mo Mo]

There's no evidence that a bot can do dogfighting somewhat efficiently in Elite, so you can't automate combat in this game beyond parking your ship somewhere and using turrets at Fire at Will mode. For that to work the NPCs must shoot first, which happens in Powerplay CZs but not when UM'ing in the nav beacon.

What you're suggesting here is that a single automated account in Solo (not winged) is making 4k merits per hour by just standing still in the beacon and using turrets that won't shoot at anything, while having to relog for every instance reset. Let me doubt it.



After turning Torval into a zombie the honorable imperials are now doing the same with Grom. Good to know!

So how else would you explain the behaviour of this CMDR? Are you seriously suggesting that a real person is behind it, doing all that stuff without any break?

 

[Khan Tannhauser]

So how else would you explain the behaviour of this CMDR? Are you seriously suggesting that a real person is behind it, doing all that stuff without any break?

I find hard to believe that anyone would UM for 24 hours straight if that's what you're asking, but I haven't seen any proof of that besides your claims in this salt post. Anyhow, call me crazy but I think that someone UM'ing for 24 hours straight is still more likely than a bot working the beacon using turrets that won't fire at anything.

 

[Azreh Helas]

Would anyone from Lupus overdo a system by 12k?

And would anyone work non-stop for over 24 hours?

Hudson pp is more than just LD. Besides you're talking about an expansion. There's no over doing there's just more merits than the opposition.

And yes you're underestimating our organisation. Just look at aasgay.

 

[Mo Mo]

Hudson pp is more than just LD. Besides you're talking about an expansion. There's no over doing there's just more merits than the opposition.

No, I'm talking about undermining, where anything over 100% is wasted effort.

 

[Mo Mo]

In any case, FDev can settle this argument once and for all, if only they would lift a finger.

 

[LDFR_Prozer]

Would anyone from Lupus overdo a system by 12k?

And would anyone work non-stop for over 24 hours?

It was a group of 4 and the 4th one had to leave early, didn't mark his merits, the 3 others did 100% and then the 4th one redeemed. This is why the over 100%. Easy to explain.
About the 24 hours ? please explain I'm confused. You saw someone in open uming solo during 24 hours non-stop ?

Not sure how you can tell that someone is uming 24h in the same system without seeing him in action.

If you prove me that there is indeed someone doing this (uming 24h, 4k/h), it's pledge Hudson, it's a leader of Hudson, then I will belive your accusation. But in the meantime, it's you screaming at stuff you once again cannot prove. I'm tired of all the time you do this, hudson bot this, hudson bot that, hudson cheat, hudson exploit.

Try to prove it instead of wasting time on Forum. I'm sure that someone at FDev can look at a nice and well explained ticket that shows all the proof of boting.

 

[Khan Tannhauser]

In any case, FDev can settle this argument once and for all, if only they would lift a finger.

Wanting FDev to fix stuff is something everyone in Powerplay can get behind. The thing is making baseless accusations here, while entertaining to read, won't get you much support.

I'd suggest to be more constructive and if you suspect someone from FUC is cheating, tell us about it using the proper channels and we'll look into it. Stop making things up, leave your propaganda for Aisling discord, where no one will refute it.

 

[MantisOlthoi]

... Mo Mo shared the fact that a botter has been discovered and have been tracking them. He's already reported it to Frontier, CMDR name and where he's been working. It's frankly amazing to me that y'all are immediately jumping to the bots defense, defending it's actions as if it's your own. I'm impressed that Mo Mo is willing to put up with this at times.

Either way, even if y'all don't gave control over it, y'all could at least not support it's use by actively not exploiting what it's doing. However, I assume if Grom were to turmoil from this obvious bot, the Winters and Hudson will be all to happy to eat up any space freed up...

Khan, we don't need propaganda when we can just point folks to threads like this and let folks judge for themselves just based on these replies. You at least generally have logical things to say. Others are just trolling and don't actually care if cheating happens or not.

 

[LDFR_Prozer]

... Mo Mo shared the fact that a botter has been discovered and have been tracking them.

No he didn't he just said that there is more than 100% done in one system, there is a cmdr doing solo 4k/h merits (impossible without a wing) and he works 24 hours non-stop. He didn't share anything. I wish he did btw.

I'm not defending anything, if there is a botter, expose it. It's going to create a better game for everyone. In the meantime don't accuse someone doing work against you / your friend as a botter. We're not doing this everytime we saw a Fed system undermine higher than 100%.

 

[MantisOlthoi]

doing solo 4k/h merits (impossible without a wing)

4k/h solo isn't impossible. We keep a link to a video in ADC of DivadREX doing 4380/h solo. Still an impressive feat imo, but not impossible.

 

[Khan Tannhauser]

... Mo Mo shared the fact that a botter has been discovered and have been tracking them. He's already reported it to Frontier, CMDR name and where he's been working. It's frankly amazing to me that y'all are immediately jumping to the bots defense, defending it's actions as if it's your own. I'm impressed that Mo Mo is willing to put up with this at times.

Either way, even if y'all don't gave control over it, y'all could at least not support it's use by actively not exploiting what it's doing. However, I assume if Grom were to turmoil from this obvious bot, the Winters and Hudson will be all to happy to eat up any space freed up...

"immediately jumping to the bots defense"

Don't be absurd. I know you're trying to help your buddy but claiming that we're defending bots is nonsense. Anyone reading these thread can see that no one has defended such a thing.

Mo Mo saw something he thinks is suspicious in a bounty board, immediately jumped to conclusions and decided to publicly accuse Hudson of cheating and its leadership of being behind the supposed bot, all this with little to no evidence. If you think there's nothing wrong with this behavior I don't know what to say.

Khan, we don't need propaganda when we can just point folks to threads like this and let folks judge for themselves just based on these replies. You at least generally have logical things to say. Others are just trolling and don't actually care if cheating happens or not.

Honestly, some people are trolling because sometimes you guys can't be taken seriously. Also, yes please, point folks to this thread so everyone can see how little you all in the Aisling community need to make your accusations.