Have you seen this evidence? I have not, I have only seen public accusations, including accusations against FRC leadership. It’s natural that we would defend ourselves against those accusations. It’s a shame that Mo Mo is willing to make his accusations public but not his evidence. If the Frontier Forums are not the appropriate place, you are always welcome on our Discord server; we have members of all powers there and I’m sure many of them would be interested in this information.
I do have evidence, I do not make baseless accusations. But I will not show them in a public forum so that your botter can find ways to circumvent detection. A ticket has already been submitted to Fdev and I will present the evidence to them when they respond.
Good Evening, I see the dumpster is properly on fire. As multiple times pointed out by people on both sides, this platform isn't the proper one to discuss the alleged botting issue. Simply because any concrete evidence would violate the forum etiquette. Let's allow FDev (and the CMs reading this) to study the reports and check it out themselves and see what comes out of it.
Besides the usual trolling that such a thread triggers and the discussions - not enough OOPP ranting to my taste to be honest (some folk are getting rather soft, sad), I don't have anything to say really besides one tiny little bit:
Although sometimes powers in ZYADA ask their allies for CMDRs to help in crucial objectives from time to time, that help has been (mostly) denied for the past years. While a desperate ally prepracing the 5c/randoms with a blocker can be tempting to abandon ones own post, the coordinators/leaders (whatever you want to call them) of the ZYADA powers usually advise against such measures, simply because it would lead to vote problems in the respective powers that were abandoned to help the ally in need. The only exceptions that is made is for module shoppers. Example: When asked, I told AD CMDRs who are module shopping with ALD to help with the actual objectives of ALD and not just do some random to get those 750 merits for the hammers (or just follow AD's combat objectives since our objectives are usually shared).
Hell, I remember some very dedicated indie commander who was module shopping for prismos hauling a total of 100k merits over their 4 weeks (we were quite sad when that guy left us, even wanted to promote him, meh). This is not unusual. There are some CMDRs in PP who give really everything although they are not natives to the power.
Besides the usual trolling that such a thread triggers and the discussions - not enough OOPP ranting to my taste to be honest (some folk are getting rather soft, sad), I don't have anything to say really besides one tiny little bit:
Although sometimes powers in ZYADA ask their allies for CMDRs to help in crucial objectives from time to time, that help has been (mostly) denied for the past years. While a desperate ally prepracing the 5c/randoms with a blocker can be tempting to abandon ones own post, the coordinators/leaders (whatever you want to call them) of the ZYADA powers usually advise against such measures, simply because it would lead to vote problems in the respective powers that were abandoned to help the ally in need. The only exceptions that is made is for module shoppers. Example: When asked, I told AD CMDRs who are module shopping with ALD to help with the actual objectives of ALD and not just do some random to get those 750 merits for the hammers (or just follow AD's combat objectives since our objectives are usually shared).
Hell, I remember some very dedicated indie commander who was module shopping for prismos hauling a total of 100k merits over their 4 weeks (we were quite sad when that guy left us, even wanted to promote him, meh). This is not unusual. There are some CMDRs in PP who give really everything although they are not natives to the power.
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I am on standby if required.
But more seriously, if there is a bot that can UM quite frankly how will FD know? The amount of work that bot has to do is magnitudes more than what the average player will do. It has to locate the nav, drop correctly, wait for targets, attack, retreat, repeat and avoid the wrong targets. I can believe hauling bots, but combat like that?
Come on Oraki, you know people don't lose their votes if they haul for another power using an alt account, right? I can't believe you haven't heard of the squad tagged EMPR working for Torval.Although sometimes powers in ZYADA ask their allies for CMDRs to help in crucial objectives from time to time, that help has been (mostly) denied for the past years. While a desperate ally prepracing the 5c/randoms with a blocker can be tempting to abandon ones own post, the coordinators/leaders (whatever you want to call them) of the ZYADA powers usually advise against such measures, simply because it would lead to vote problems in the respective powers that were abandoned to help the ally in need. The only exceptions that is made is for module shoppers. Example: When asked, I told AD CMDRs who are module shopping with ALD to help with the actual objectives of ALD and not just do some random to get those 750 merits for the hammers (or just follow AD's combat objectives since our objectives are usually shared).
Hell, I remember some very dedicated indie commander who was module shopping for prismos hauling a total of 100k merits over their 4 weeks (we were quite sad when that guy left us, even wanted to promote him, meh). This is not unusual. There are some CMDRs in PP who give really everything although they are not natives to the power.
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And this is how you make a meme of yourself and why you can't be taken seriously. In the end it all comes down to this:In the meantime, here is a piece of artwork for your amusement; feel free to troll as much as you like.
- Feds are cheaters.
- The Cons vote for AD drops 2% one week? Must be the Fed saboteurs.
- The 5C prep near AD HQ? Must be the Feds hauling there every week.
- The Open Only policy in FUC? It's all lies, Feds are hypocrites.
- Evidence you ask? We don't need it, because everybody knows the Feds are cheaters!
It's always the same story with you guys so people give up on having constructive conversations and decide to do some trolling. Understandable.
You mean the Feds are not responsible for all of the above? Wow! What a revelation!
So, over the years, the seemingly direct relationship between 5c activities against the Empire and the Federation's need for some sort of distraction, must all be coincidence then.
The Feds must be doing something right so that 5c'ers leave both of your Powers alone; even the undoubtedly popular LYR, with their discounted shipyards, get 5c'd more often than the Feds! Well done.
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Thank you very much for proving my point, Mo Mo.
To say that 5C isn't an issue for us one needs to be somewhat disconnected from reality or maybe just not paying attention. There are many examples, last time was two cycles ago, but talking with you is pointless because no matter what I say or the facts I can bring up, the takeaway for you will always be that the evil Feds are cheaters, right?
No, you misunderstood him. He said inversely proportional, so he's absolving the Feds of any guilt.
If you are referring to Chingaa, that's not 5c in the usual sense; you know who did it (a Fed pmf), and why. They are not some "module shoppers" who think it's a good idea to prep the closest and worst system for a Power. Basically a civil war. And for your info, the Empire was instructed not to get involved at all - we were not responsible for your internal dispute and did not exploit your misfortune.
Wrt to the botting issue - I cannot name and shame, as per Forum ToS, and you know that. Perhaps you really don't know what is going on, and just instinctively jump to the defence of your Power as a loyal Fed CMDR would; good for you. Some of the comments made by various people, so quick to come up with plausible explanations as to how all the observed activities may not be a bot, just adds to the suspicion if anyone would care to take a logical and dispassionate look at what has been said.
In any case, this back and forth argument is getting nowhere - as I have said, a ticket has already been filed with FDev, and I look forward to their response.
Chingaa was 5C in the usual sense, as in people pledged to your power knowingly trying to hurt it from within. This time we were lucky enough to know who they are, which isn't common, but that doesn't make it less 5C.
You mentioned "the undoubtedly popular LYR, with their discounted shipyards". Their discounted shipyards are precisely the reason why they get 5C'ed so often. PMFs in the area want to have the discount in their systems so they try to expand with no regard for LYR's economy. These PMFs know this hurts LYR because they've been told about it but they don't care, just like the PMF attempting to make us expand to Chingaa.
A logical and dispassionate way of doing things would have been to contact us in private and tell us about this supposed botter, like others have mentioned already. If it's one of our members we'd kick them out of FUC if we find that they're doing any shady stuff. Instead of doing this you decided to stir the pot in the forums accusing Hudson of cheating and apparently you're now more suspicious because people came up with "plausible explanations". I don't see how that makes sense, but whatever.
Wait, this thread is still going? Ooh, ooh, lemme try...
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We, the FUC, pride ourselves on our ability to perform - what was that term you used? - "sophisticate hack". Be afraid, yes! Tomorrow we could hack all your systems away.
Oh, and Momo, be nice, or Santa won't give you a present... Here's a hint: our bots are as real as he is.
Merry Christmas!
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We, the FUC, pride ourselves on our ability to perform - what was that term you used? - "sophisticate hack". Be afraid, yes! Tomorrow we could hack all your systems away.
Oh, and Momo, be nice, or Santa won't give you a present... Here's a hint: our bots are as real as he is.
Merry Christmas!
I heard, fdev has finally done something. Interesting.
I have also heard such rumour, apparently some accounts have been banned, one of them supposedly is in FRC leadership!
If this is true, then it means Hudson leadership endorsed and depended on the use of cheating/botting to achieve their goals, they can no longer attribute their ill-gotten gains to "random" or "mystery" benefactors.
This leads us to the question about all the profitable expansions Hudson took in recent years, the ones with "almost impossible" triggers that were taken so easily - should Hudson be allowed to keep those? Frankly, I think they should be removed from Hudson's control as reparation for their crime. IRL, a bank robber wouldn't be allowed to keep the stolen money...
In any case, FDev deserve our sincere thanks for taking positive and definitive action against cheaters - please keep up the good work.
If this is true, then it means Hudson leadership endorsed and depended on the use of cheating/botting to achieve their goals, they can no longer attribute their ill-gotten gains to "random" or "mystery" benefactors.
This leads us to the question about all the profitable expansions Hudson took in recent years, the ones with "almost impossible" triggers that were taken so easily - should Hudson be allowed to keep those? Frankly, I think they should be removed from Hudson's control as reparation for their crime. IRL, a bank robber wouldn't be allowed to keep the stolen money...
In any case, FDev deserve our sincere thanks for taking positive and definitive action against cheaters - please keep up the good work.
If you would think things through to the end and put your own house in order first, you should e.g. give Frey back to Hudson and remove LHS 2088. The one system was 5C'ed out by ZYADA by forting trash systems during a turmoil and the other one was a horrible 5C expansion courtesy of ZYADA as well.
That's rich accusing ZYADA of 5C. Go take a look at the preps of the various powers sometime. Over in AD we literally laughed when Winters cried that her 5C reached a whopping 40k one week when AD at the time had to face 400k+ 5C every week. As soon as Grom won those three expansions in one cycle recently, 5C suddenly hit him again the cycle after. Grom angers the Feds, Grom gets 5C'd. Funny coincidence, eh? Meanwhile, go ahead and take a look at the Fed powers. They receive some of the LEAST 5C out of all of the powers. Even the indies get 5C more than them.
I may be biased towards the Empire, but this paints a pretty clear picture in my opinion.
I may be biased towards the Empire, but this paints a pretty clear picture in my opinion.
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This whole thread is just accusations without proof.
For better or worse, the proof is considered naming and shaming and isn't allowed here. But as far as we can tell, the account that Mo Mo reported has not been seen online since just after he reported it. Btw Thanks, Frontier, for acting so fast!This whole thread is just accusations without proof.
As for the 5C, yea, that's impossible to get proof on. Only those doing the 5C and maybe Frontier would know for sure. When I mentioned for checking the preps every week is basically the best we can go on.