Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

[Mole HD]

Bacon truffle?

I don't usually bother cutting mine into fancy triangles...eating a bacon buttie should be a two handed job

 

[TiberiusDuval]

I understand that that they gotta keep those backers happy who were expecting a game years ago. But given how toxic the space game community is in general (imagine someone being as socially inept and internally nasty to think you can refer to a person as 'it' because they don't agree with you about a videogame and then thinking they can take the moral high ground...lol have fun being forever alone with that kind of personality and broken moral compass)....I'm surprised CIG didn't shut down the roadmap thing earlier.

"Most open game development ever." "We treat you same as we would treat publisher"

You are owed nothing, you deserve what you got and chose what to pay for it. Suck it up. You didn't get ripped off, you (plural) drank the KOOL aid. All the salty cig miners, the ones who ironically project onto others who are happy with what they got that the happy ones drank KOOL aid.

If you buy a car with a 1ltr engine and are upset because it won't do the 300mph or 1.9sec 0-60 like you thought it would - then is that REALLY the car salesman's fault? A bit sure, but the majority of the fault is yours.

I forget the Latin now... But buyer beware. Sold as seen. You saw, you created dreams in your mind, you bought the dream not the reality.

Well IF salesman promises to me that I will get this and that, and then basically fails to deliver, who is the culprit. Me or salesman? Basically I would have been scammed out of my money.

Your car comparison: Salesman promised to me car with huge engine and lots of power. And delivered cabin moped. And that Latin "caveat emptor" well, nowadays we DO have laws against such kind of marketing.

(Luckily I have not put any money to SC, that "me" in text was rhetorical...)[/QUOTE]

 

[Ebob]

It's clear now everyone wants that level of detail SC has, to walk around, EVA, etc., Instead of staying the ship-only, mid-detailed galaxy simulator it was before, it seems FDev is sticking around and upping their game. So, it's not happening as expected, with SC slowly but surely becoming that BDSSE it boasted to be. Its FDev giving SC a run for its money.

FDev does not have a very good track record of expanding upon features they implemented, ED is running on an outdated engine and years of tech debt, and they'll atleast spend another year updating Odyssey.

With a base game purchase AND another $40 purchase required to even get a taste of SC's spacelegs, FDev certainly is not giving SC a run for its money, at all. Lol.

 

[VR Golgot]

Everyone loves a $45 perma-alpha, it's very true

Source: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1297916454?t=3h0m2s

 

[Ebob]

Everyone loves a $45 perma-alpha, it's very true

Source: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1297916454?t=3h0m2s

Yeah, people do. Wouldn't have put $400 million into it otherwise. Cope & Seethe.

 

[varonica]

To me it seems like a lot of you don't like SC just because it's different from Elite, and put the stupid backers down because how dare they enjoy their train ride!

Well no, you see we are probably all SciFi and space travel fans, nerds mostly. I paid something towards SC at the same time I purchased ED, because it looked promising and would have given me two SciFi space ship flying games to enjoy, the same reason I gave some to Dual Universe. I never gave anything to NMS because, well NMS isn't a SciFi game, it's a fantasy survival game, and that's no criticism, it does what it does well!

Many of us are disappointed we don't have two good space sims to play but that's neither here nor there, what CIG and SC are doing is creating a bad rep for space sims, and bad rep goes a lot further than good I can tell you that. There are people out there already comparing FDEV's current communication blackout to CIG's recent communication...um...disaster, and that's not a good thing!

 

[VR Golgot]

Regrets, I've had a few...

17th Feb 2022

Me, i've spent around $400 for the 2 years I've been in it (on and off) and.... I have regrets. I regret spending OVER the initial starter pack. And the regret comes from the gradual change of stance from CIG towads their customers and the gradual change of management, content delivery (rather lack of content) and... they funnel the money we paid for Multiplayer into a Single Player project that we DIDN't pay for, without us having any influence over that decision. Chris is hiding like a mole and rarely addresses his backers now. And yes, I've had a lot of fun moments in the game. But I also had huge expectations. The fun ends when with each year progress is slower than the pace at which players run out of things to do in this alpha.

14th Feb 2022

I bought into SC in 2016 and scooped an Aurora MR + SQ42 + Redeemer upgrade. Since then, I've watched my $500 investment turn to sand. Unlike some out there, I bought what I thought was a game and instead turned out to be a charlatan's dream.

14th Feb 2022

After a few years I've went from being a cultists defending CIG to completely crapping on them and I don't believe at all in the project anymore. I'm about 700 dollars in and I'm ashamed lol. Anyone know where I could sell my account even at like 40%, I just want to recover something at this point

12th Feb 2022

In the last CitizenCon 2021 I spent around 2k on top of multiple thousands already spent. I've also brought many players to the game. As of just last year, though a little bit frustrated with the progress, I would have gladly spent an additional 2-4k this year and enthusiastically brought on new players.

Now, just a little over a month later I have cancled my subscription and would beg someone not to join on. I know of many others as well that would do the same.

12th Feb 2022 to Present (no sales)

With the birth of my first child in the past December, many of my priorities in life have changed, being SC one of them.

That said, with so little time to keep following the project, I'm willing to sell my account as it is.

Hangar Melt Value: $5,295.20 USD

Jan 2020 to Present (no sales)

Star Citizen WingCommander account, Value $15680 for sale at $12500

Etc. Etc. Etc.

 

[varonica]

With a base game purchase AND another $40 purchase required to even get a taste of SC's spacelegs, FDev certainly is not giving SC a run for its money, at all. Lol.

SC isn't giving any one a run for it's money, it's not actually a game.....it's an ALPHA! I should also point out there are plenty of ALPHA's that basically vanished at that stage and never made it to beta let alone full released game status!

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

I don't usually bother cutting mine into fancy triangles...eating a bacon buttie should be a two handed job

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Yes, I can see that working out. Basically the only real way to make white bread work, imo. Looks a bit like ham from the more encultered civilisations, even. And it screams for onions. But that is just in my head.

 

[Cotic]

FDev does not have a very good track record of expanding upon features they implemented, ED is running on an outdated engine and years of tech debt, and they'll atleast spend another year updating Odyssey.

Funny how this type of argument only ever applies to other games, never CIG and SC.

With a base game purchase AND another $40 purchase required to even get a taste of SC's spacelegs, FDev certainly is not giving SC a run for its money, at all. Lol.

Meh you can pick up the commander's pack which contains both for what, $50? But you're right FD are not giving SC a run for its money, that would require selling $100-$35000 ships/ship packs. And thankfully they don't do that.

 

[Ebob]

Funny how this type of argument only ever applies to other games, never CIG and SC.

Funny how you cannot cirticize FDev without needing to mention CIG...

Meh you can pick up the commander's pack which contains both for what, $50? But you're right FD are not giving SC a run for its money, that would require selling $100-$35000 ships/ship packs. And thankfully they don't do that.

Is FDev a crowdfunded company? No? Nobody needs to buy those ships to get the full game experience either, as you can just buy them ingame! Whereas FDev locks you out of Planets & Gameplay behind a paywall! No thanks.

 

[Ebob]

SC isn't giving any one a run for it's money, it's not actually a game.....it's an ALPHA! I should also point out there are plenty of ALPHA's that basically vanished at that stage and never made it to beta let alone full released game status!

And? I never said it was. SC isn't showing any signs of vanishing, some more worthless hyperbole.

 

[Darkfyre99]

Are you seriously still saying SC is a scam? In 2022? That meme died like what, 7 years ago?

Nah, SC isn't a scam.

It's merely a Hollywood Accounting Scheme designed to funnel backer funds into the coffers of the Roberts Clan (plus Calders) first;

To allow Chris Roberts to play out his fantasies of being a Rockstar Game Developer second;

To have previously allowed Chris Roberts to play out his fantasies of being a Big Hollywood Director third;

And in a distant last place, allow Chris Roberts to the dream game that those nasty AAA Publisher's denied him the funds to make.

Totally not a scam.

 

[Cotic]

Funny how you cannot cirticize FDev without needing to mention CIG....

That's because this is a thread about SC you muppet. But if you need my credentials then Odyssey was a flop and the community deserved considerably better than to have that turd dropped on them. Happy?

Is FDev a crowdfunded company? No? Nobody needs to buy those ships to get the full game experience either, as you can just buy them ingame! Whereas FDev locks you out of Planets & Gameplay behind a paywall! No thanks.

Nonsense, if people didn't buy those ships they would have raised ~$75M at this point. The company, the game and its development is entirely reliant on people buying those ships.

 

[Ebob]

Nah, SC isn't a scam.

It's merely a Hollywood Accounting Scheme designed to funnel backer funds into the coffers of the Roberts Clan (plus Calders) first;

To allow Chris Roberts to play out his fantasies of being a Rockstar Game Developer second;

To have previously allowed Chris Roberts to play out his fantasies of being a Big Hollywood Director third;

And in a distant last place, allow Chris Roberts to the dream game that those nasty AAA Publisher's denied him the funds to make.

Totally not a scam.

You really love the phrase "Hollywood Accounting Scheme", don't you?
This is literally the worst scam ever conceived, look, if it was such a bad scam, why are we perpetuating it by having the biggest thread on a competitor dev's forum be about it? Why can't we shut up about this horrid scam and leave it be? I mean, it'll die eventually? Surely some authority must intervene? Right? RIGHT?

 

[Ebob]

Nonsense, if people didn't buy those ships they would have raised ~$75M at this point. The company, the game and its development is entirely reliant on people buying those ships.

Well yeah they're reliant on pledges, but nobody is forced to pledge for these ships. They're also not locked for people that don't want to pledge.

 

[varonica]

And? I never said it was. SC isn't showing any signs of vanishing, some more worthless hyperbole.

So it's not a game, so how is it giving ED a run for it's money, a released game with 2 major expansions and persistence versus an Alpha that may never make it into full release. You might say it isn't showing any signs of vanishing, but some of us have kindly pointed out it also isn't displaying any signs of coming out of Alpha either, and you would think and Alpha that's been out for ten years would have at least converted to a beta by now as part of the progress to a full release, but nope, it's forever Alpha, I suspect it will always be forever Alpha in the hand of CIG.

 

[Zieman]

You really love the phrase "Hollywood Accounting Scheme", don't you?
This is literally the worst scam ever conceived, look, if it was such a bad scam, why are we perpetuating it by having the biggest thread on a competitor dev's forum be about it? Why can't we shut up about this horrid scam and leave it be? I mean, it'll die eventually? Surely some authority must intervene? Right? RIGHT?

The shell companies and all that money shifting is probably perfectly legal in the jurisdictions the companies reside in.
That still doesn't make SC less of a scam, where the money grabbers utilise Hollywood accounting to its full extent to evade taxes etc.

 

[Ebob]

The shell companies and all that money shifting is probably perfectly legal in the jurisdiction the companies reside in.
That still doesn't make SC less of a scam, where the money grabbers utilise Hollywood accounting to its full extent to evade taxes etc.

Okay, this also makes EA, Sony & Sega (and probably a lot more) scam companies! Everyone does it! Welcome to the world of business!

 

[varonica]

FDev locks you out of Planets & Gameplay behind a paywall! No thanks.

While it should be pointed out that CIG takes the money players pledged to develop SC, and uses it to develop a different game, SQ42, that players who have paid money to support SC won't be able to access, until they pay more money. I fail to see your point here, the planets and gameplay were game expansions, nearly all games these days release game expansions that players are required to purchase to access the content in the expansion, that's a standard business practice, whereas CIG? Well you can never accuse it of following any standards that's for sure.