I'm just waiting for the end of the year to see the outcome of your Pyro/server meshing prediction.
Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12
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But really, I don't really care. I put $45 into SC, pretty happy with what I got out of it. The companies finances don't interest me! I mean we could sit here and go on about shady business practices all day for exmple how FDev is using the relog material gathering method as a way to boast monthly login numbers, but it wouldn't end because everyone does it!
Game doesn't get made if people don't buy. I'd say that is pretty forced tbh.
Both sides are the same!
Why thank you!
EA, Sony & Sega just happen to be less blatant with it, and I don't think they do it even near to the extent CiG & co. do, or if they do more than evade taxes like (as you said) every company that can legally do so does.
Oh, there's the little matter of releasing the titles they say they're working on, with at least some of the things they say the titles would have in them...
How many games has CiG released again...?
Well I always see this thrown around, however have we seen any actual accounting numbers for this? But really, wasn't this an irrelevant point in a previous discussion because they're basically the same game?
The point is, FDev locks you out of content behind a paywall, CIG does not. Free updates!
I doubt some authority will intervene. The whole point of a Hollywood Accounting Scheme is to legally funnel money out of a project to enrich some people, while depriving other people of the fruits of their labor... or in this case, backers out of the game development they paid for. This is on top of Chris Roberts' continuing long history of poor project management.
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Less blatant? In what way? EA Sony and Sega are much bigger companies than CIG, they probably do it to an even larger extent, lol.Why thank you!
EA, Sony & Sega just happen to be less blatant with it, and I don't think they do it even near to the extent CiG & co. do, or if they do more than evade taxes like (as you said) every company that can legally do so does.
Zero! And they never claimed to have released any. I fail to see your point. Game company that released games has released games, game company that is working on games that are bingo still under development and not ready for release has not released games!Oh, there's the little matter of releasing the titles they say they're working on, with at least some of the things they say the titles would have in them...
How many games has CiG released again...?
Well no it's not the same is it? You see what these companies do is they produce a product, a fully released game, which they then sell to their customers, this money then becomes "their" money which they can dispose of however they choose, well as long as it's legal I suppose. CIG takes "pledges" which require people to give them money, but they get no released product for that, not even the promise of a released product, no guarantee that said product will ever appear. The difference between those other companies and CIG is the difference between "their" money and "other peoples" money!
Bohoo! Investors make a profit from their investments! Blasphemy!
You've got the bare minimum invested. That tells me how much faith you have in it.
So players who pledged to SC and not to SQ42 will be able to play SQ42 when it's released? Because if they can't then no, it's not the same game!
LOL!
If there was profit, where's the product?
Did they pay the taxes of that profit too?
Oh, of course not, backers pledged CR to give money away to investors, not to get a game done.
Why do I need to have "faith"?
I agree. It's dead shady, utterly unethical, and also morally bankrupt... especially considering that it continues to be a crowd funded project.
Sadly, there's a huge chasm between what is ethical and what is legal, as many Hollywood creatives have discovered over the years.
We'll have to see!
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Many of those companies regularly release products and sell them, then they manage their finances how they see fit, their money, their risk. CIG has not released a single product for 10+ years while still asking for more money though. Backers money, backers risk. Some wound call what CIG does indeed a scam, or simply fraud.
I take it you've never gone over the UK Shell Company's legally required financial statements.
Interesting. Given the size of (known) dividends and exorbitant salaries going to completely useless people like Sandi, between 5% and 10% of the entire revenue stream is diverted towards uses that have nothing to do with development. This revenue stream comes from people who are funding CIG in good faith so that they can develop Star Citizen and SQ42.
One of them is still not a product, the other one remains a pipe dream. And yet, CIG managed to find a legal loophole to pay out the dividends, as they had to, because otherwise in their situation it would be actually illegal to do so.
So here is a simple question. Do you, or do you not, find it somehow ethically questionable?