Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

[Dooguk]

Well, pledge more then, I guess?

You're paying for a product. You get charged VAT.
Look, this is not Roberts' first rodeo when it comes to over promising and not delivering. I remember the first time and so early on I tried to warn backers such as yourself to not believe everything the shady b######d said. This time is way more serious because he is taking punters money off them up front. So when I see people like yourself bigging the game up, I'll be honest, it does my head in. The very thought of that guy making millions without delivering...

 

[sovapid]

Many of those companies regularly release products and sell them, then they manage their finances how they see fit, their money, their risk. CIG has not released a single product for 10+ years while still asking for more money though. Backers money, backers risk. Some wound call what CIG does indeed a scam, or simply fraud.

So you don't think that CIG are just selling ships in a macro transaction store? That it is really CIG's money in what is essentially a normal (maybe not exactly normal given the price tag) transaction?

Interesting to see you are bought in to the notion that these are really pledges and donations.

You're paying for a product. You get charged VAT.

See schrodinger's cat of if it is product or not. Depending on the point that needs to be made.

strange how that works both ways


ITS BACKERS MONEY! No, wait, its a product!!!!

 

[Dooguk]

So you don't think that CIG are just selling ships in a macro transaction store? That it is really CIG's money in what is essentially a normal (maybe not exactly normal given the price tag) transaction?

Interesting to see you are bought in to the notion that these are really pledges and donations.




See schrodinger's cat of if it is product or not. Depending on the point that needs to be made.

strange how that works both ways


ITS BACKERS MONEY! No, wait, its a product!!!!

You're buying a product. Prove me wrong.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

So you don't think that CIG are just selling ships in a macro transaction store? That it is really CIG's money in what is essentially a normal (maybe not exactly normal given the price tag) transaction?

Interesting to see you are bought in to the notion that these are really pledges and donations.




See Schrodinger's cat of if it is product or not. Depending on the point that needs to be made.

strange how that works both ways


ITS BACKERS MONEY! No, wait, its a product!!!!

A lot about SC is Schrodinger's Cat

Is it a released product or is it an alpha?

Its it a pledge or a purchase?

 

[Skizomeuh]

ITS BACKERS MONEY! No, wait, its a product!!!!

Well the first has to be used if SC Defense Force claims ALPHA!
The second if claiming it's a released game.

 

[Intrepid3D]

IMO only Chris Roberts could have attempted a game like Star Citizen, but while only Chris Roberts could have made games like this he's also the reason his games arrive late or in this case run on unfinished with seemingly no end in sight.

That's the conundrum.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

IMO only Chris Roberts could have attempted a game like Star Citizen, but while only Chris Roberts could have made games like this he's also the reason his games arrive late or in this case run on unfinished with seemingly no end in sight.

That's the conundrum.

The cry for the everything game is nothing new. People clamour for all kinds of gameplay because they liked it in another game.

Coffee Stain CM recently made a feature about 10 things they wont put into Satisfactory. Reason was kinda: Is not our artistic vision, it is a different game, but we want to do this game. And later he emphasized that a game cannot be every game but player keep just asking for it.

SC just hopped on that train and it's a good train because only the most gullible and naive believe this can be made and thus the money is easily scammed from them.

 

[sovapid]

You're buying a product. Prove me wrong.

you can hash that out with @Viajero . im just quoting your two contradictory positions.

 

[sovapid]

Coffee Stain CM recently made a feature about 10 things they wont put into Satisfactory. Reason was kinda: Is not our artistic vision, it is a different game, but we want to do this game. And later he emphasized that a game cannot be every game but player keep just asking for it.

I saw that video and also thought about CIG doing something like that.

 

[Dooguk]

you can hash that out with @Viajero . im just quoting your two contradictory positions.

I think what Viajero is saying is that CI-G aren't being honest about what they are doing with the money the backers have bought goods with.
If I'm wrong he can tell me.

 

[VR Golgot]

you can hash that out with @Viajero . im just quoting your two contradictory positions.

There is no contradiction.

They're both saying backers have bought a product. And that the product is yet to be delivered.

Viajero is just also noting that CIG have powered their endless production phase via pre-purchases, whereas other companies traditionally use earnings from previously delivered products. (Ergo the risk is on them, not the pre-purchaser.)

CIG's near-decade-long take on this early access approach makes them look like dubious chancers, even when compared with the likes of companies like EA. Which is pretty impressive

And you know this.

But for some reason you've gone full mind pretzel here, in a rather desperate attempt to make it seem that the problem lies anywhere other than with CIG...

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

I saw that video and also thought about CIG doing something like that.

He made a nice example with the survival elements. Let's say it's gametime - something like runtime, maybe. You are occupied with X now and like it - then comes new feature and now you have to do Y in order to do X. Kinda like engineers in ED now.
"We want it to be a chill game."

I don't know what it is but many just gnaw at the roots of game design trying to make something completely different from other people's vision.

Which is fine - I enjoy modders going crazy, but that in itself is artistic process. Asking a game be redone is not.

 

[sovapid]

to be clear for those that might not know, Coffee Stain make the game Satisfactory (which i think is a great game)

and this is the video we are talking about

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4LlorYbVV0

 

[Dooguk]

Here is an small example of CI-G of some of the crap CI-G come up with...

We’re making good progress in allowing designers to set up activities that NPCs can perform, and then making the AI able to find these things based on who they are and what they should be doing in the world. We’re really excited to start seeing the results of this when NPCs are able to act completely autonomously and do interesting things in the world, which we expect to really start to come together in the next few weeks.

...come together in the next few weeks. So as a player what are you expecting to happen in the "next few weeks". I guess you would be kind of excited to see all these NPC's going about their business in a living breathing 'verse, who wouldn't?
Well I'm sorry to disappoint, but this was from October 2014.

 

[sovapid]

There is no contradiction.

They're both saying backers have bought a product. And that the product is yet to be delivered.

Viajero is just also noting that CIG have powered their endless production phase via pre-purchases, whereas other companies traditionally use earnings from previously delivered products. (Ergo the risk is on them, not the pre-purchaser.)

CIG's near-decade-long take on this early access approach makes them look like dubious chancers, even when compared with the likes of companies like EA. Which is pretty impressive

And you know this.

But for some reason you've gone full mind pretzel here, in a rather desperate attempt to make it seem that the problem lies anywhere other than with CIG...

no pretzel and no desperation

 

[TiberiusDuval]

IMO only Chris Roberts could have attempted a game like Star Citizen, but while only Chris Roberts could have made games like this he's also the reason his games arrive late or in this case run on unfinished with seemingly no end in sight.

That's the conundrum.

Well there have been various developers promising everything and the kitchen sink....usually end product is something horrendous. Certain Derek and Battlecruiser 3000 AD comes to my mind...

 

[VR Golgot]

no pretzel and no desperation

No argument either apparently

 

[Skizomeuh]

Here is an small example of CI-G of some of the crap CI-G come up with...

...come together in the next few weeks. So as a player what are you expecting to happen in the "next few weeks". I guess you would be kind of excited to see all these NPC's going about their business in a living breathing 'verse, who wouldn't?
Well I'm sorry to disappoint, but this was from October 2014.

1 week of work in standard inferior development studio is worth 5 months at CIG.

 

[thistle]

The point is, FDev locks you out of content behind a paywall, CIG does not.

Yes it does, you are required to buy SC aren't you? Exactly the same. The fact ED has two versions is irrelevant to that argument. Games have paid expansions, its a thing.

More importantly, SC has most of the content people have actually paid for locked behind the worrying combination of time and CRoberts.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

I have a craving for honey-mustard pretzel snacks now. They used to list one US brand in certain groceries here but it got replaced by really sheity other brands. I mean snacks from US are prone to be real crap but this was the good stuff.