Console Update

[Fizzatron]

Yes, you should be able to get all your save data from the cloud from MS/Sony. I'm sure FDev wouldn't be under any legal obligation to have a mechanism to add that data to their services though.

The point is that they would also have no legal obligation to restrict it either. My presumption is that FDev's hands are tied by MS/Sony here.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

forgetting the nonsense in this thread. (and prefaced with the fact I am no coder). but it does make me wonder what crazyness is in the coding that FD don't have a fairly simple way of analysing a players profile and detecting the details of a Cmdr on PS4/xb1 Inc rank, money, arx.and all cosmetics and simply porting over to a different platform

under the hood surely the data structure for the accounts must be similar and even if not directly compatible how hard could it be for them to read the values and transfer over to anothe account?

I think it's more a "willingness" issue as opposed to "technical feasibility" one. The latter is often hidden behind when the true reason is the former.

 

[Naddesh]

For months I've been saying that EDO will never come to consoles and I've had so many people explaining to me (often in harsh terms) how much I was wrong and how much I knew nothing, and I was thinking: "How come they don't see what is happening?" Your comment gives me the same kind of feeling: how come you don't see that getting rid of consoles is the biggest step in the right direction for years from Frontier, a real decision, a bold one, that will enable the game to move on... Frontier has been extremely slow at delivering, yep, and EDO was a bumpy ride but Elite is the backbone of Frontier, and space sims are one of the fastest growing area in gaming: they will never exit it as they are currently Number 1 in a sweet spot that is about to get sweeter (no wonder pretty much all the big studios have plans in that field). If needed, they will get outside investors onboard or raise money among their current shareholders and Tencent, for exemple, will answer to the call. I would not be surprised plans like that are already on the move, behind the scene.

Becuase it leads to financial loss. You are dealing with a corporation and if a corporation is taking a financial loss without any prospect of ragaining what was lost then the situation is truly horrible. ED is not a number one anymore which numbers show and it loses players daily. Frontier's stock is also going down the drain in large part due to Elite. Also, Show me one company that ditched consoles? It is a sign of horrible incompetence in the dev team. If ditching platforms makes your work so much easier then it is a sure sign that sometihng is horribly wrong and you are trying to patch a sinking ship with toilet paper. They still havent managed to fix the performance in EDO after a year, if you really think we are going to go up from here you are, quite frankly, delusional. Notice that thay didnt even touch consoles for that year and the quality hasnt improved.

Let's try to resuscitate a rotting corpse - said no corporation ever.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

I think it's more a "willingness" issue as opposed to "technical feasibility" one. The latter is often hidden behind when the true reason is the former.

I mean it looks like that from the outside looking in. but I can't see a downside in it really. it would not help all players but my have generated some good will for at least appearing to do something to help the consolers...... if anything just for optics

 

[NikoKäsi]

The point is that they would also have no legal obligation to restrict it either. My presumption is that FDev's hands are tied by MS/Sony here.

I see, yeah that could be the case. If it is, then requesting all your data with GDPR and FDev creating a system to import that from your local files could be a way around the restriction.
Theoretically of course, something like that won't be happening for many reasons.

 

[Fizzatron]

I see, yeah that could be the case. If it is, then requesting all your data with GDPR and FDev creating a system to import that from your local files could be a way around the restriction.
Theoretically of course, something like that won't be happening for many reasons.

Indeed, if it were the case, I would be sure Sony/MS would have a lot to say on the matter as it might open up a huge can of worms for a large chunk of their business model.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

I mean it looks like that from the outside looking in. but I can't see a downside in it really. it would not help all players but my have generated some good will for at least appearing to do something to help the consolers...... if anything just for optics

For sure... but Frontier have a knack for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, so in a way it makes sense from that angle.

Maybe they're too preoccupied with their other, fresher IPs and just want minimal fuss about the ginger haired stepchild that is Elite.

 

[Miko]

Mega CD was a console (add-on) so technically still on-topic

I'm not saying anything about off topic, just stating why only space games were in reference since Wing Commander and Silpheed were brought into the discussion. Effectively acknowledging that outside of that confinement, there were other titles in the Mega CD that were outstanding. Nobody should slag anyone who owned one. It had definitive versions of some games with absolutely astonishing soundtracks and voice overs to boot!

Eye of The Beholder! Dune! Final Fight, Ecco, Shining Force. We could go on and on adding even more to the table! System was an excellent add on!

 

[Deleted member 182079]

I'm not saying anything about off topic, just stating why only space games were in reference since Wing Commander and Silpheed were brought into the discussion. Effectively acknowledging that outside of that confinement, there were other titles in the Mega CD that were outstanding. Nobody should slag anyone who owned one. It had definitive versions of some games with absolutely astonishing soundtracks and voice overs to boot!

Eye of The Beholder! Dune! Final Fight, Ecco, Shining Force. We could go on and on adding even more to the table! System was an excellent add on!

I was joking about the off/on-topic

You know how it is/was.. in that age (early teens) kids take the mick out of each other for all sorts of reasons... what system you're on (system wars were vicious back then), what car your parents drove, where you went on holidays, your shoe brand...

I had to save up pocket money to afford it (and it was very expensive, our family wasn't exactly flush with cash either) and in the beginning there was a real drought of decent games on it. Many of the better ones I had to import via grey importers from the US/JP as they weren't available in Europe (and it required an adapter cartridge costing almost as much as a game). Now, those games live on on my RP3+. And yes come to think of it, there were quite a few space games out on it.

 

[CMDR DUANES]

Becuase it leads to financial loss. You are dealing with a corporation and if a corporation is taking a financial loss without any prospect of ragaining what was lost then the situation is truly horrible. ED is not a number one anymore which numbers show and it loses players daily. Frontier's stock is also going down the drain in large part due to Elite. Also, Show me one company that ditched consoles? It is a sign of horrible incompetence in the dev team. If ditching platforms makes your work so much easier then it is a sure sign that sometihng is horribly wrong and you are trying to patch a sinking ship with toilet paper. They still havent managed to fix the performance in EDO after a year, if you really think we are going to go up from here you are, quite frankly, delusional. Notice that thay didnt even touch consoles for that year and the quality hasnt improved.

Let's try to resuscitate a rotting corpse - said no corporation ever.

No offense, but instead of shooting in the dark based on Steam "datas" or YT "experts", I would advise you to read their financial reports, it might help you understand what is really happening...

 

[Bonesaw]

No offense, but instead of shooting in the dark based on Steam "datas" or YT "experts", I would advise you to read their financial reports, it might help you understand what is really happening...

Care to fill in the ppl who don't have time to read the financial reports ,pls ?

 

[CMDR Woland92]

All good

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Indeed, there’s been no other game I have ever played that I have invested as much time into. Most games cap out around 20-60 hours, open world games, perhaps 300-400 tops.

But this, hitting 1500+ odd hours, is exceptional for me, near on 5 years playing, relatively casual of course, due to my real life commitments etc, I’ve never invested that length of time into any other game.

For MMO's, it is relatively common to invest that much time.

 

[CMDR Eodwyr]

Thanks for the update!
Perhaps by focussing their efforts solely onto the PC version of the game, FDev can now recoup previous losses and release more polished, meaningful updates and patches.
One platform (PC) equals one set of problems to fix, which beats having to solve the same issues on multiple platforms with limited resources and staff I'm guessing?

I'm no expert, but I'm also guessing that three different platforms equal three different variants of the game to code and run? I gather there is a reason why we all just don't buy a PC or Console?

Either way, really looking forward to Carrier Interiors and finally being able to sit down for a pint at the Space Bar!

 

[PhantomWolf]

Thanks for the update!
Perhaps by focussing their efforts solely onto the PC version of the game, FDev can now recoup previous losses and release more polished, meaningful updates and patches.
One platform (PC) equals one set of problems to fix, which beats having to solve the same issues on multiple platforms with limited resources and staff I'm guessing?

I'm no expert, but I'm also guessing that three different platforms equal three different variants of the game to code and run? I gather there is a reason why we all just don't buy a PC or Console?

Either way, really looking forward to Carrier Interiors and finally being able to sit down for a pint at the Space Bar!

They just canned 30% of the player base though so that's 30% of the revenue stream from this game. think this is the beginning of the end ..maybe time for Elite 2 on a better engine?

 

[Crank Larson]

Yes, you should be able to get all your save data from the cloud from MS/Sony. I'm sure FDev wouldn't be under any legal obligation to have a mechanism to add that data to their services though.

Game save data is nothing to do with GDPR unless it does contain PII (about the player, not the avatar/character) in it. Which it doesn't. But I would also be interested in you testing out your theories to see how far you get. You are entitled to all data held about you, but not fictional data in computer games.

 

[CMDR Eodwyr]

They just canned 30% of the player base though so that's 30% of the revenue stream form this game. think this is the beginning of the end ..maybe time for Elite 2 on a better engine?

Swings and Roundabouts really. Sure, 30% is a chunk lost, but it's not catastrophic if the remaining 70% stay loyal.
Besides, why don't Console players swap for a Computer? The cost is similar, if not possibly cheaper than a Next-Gen Console.

Given E : D is an old enough game, I think it's doing pretty darn well to adapt and stay relevant.
In a world where the likes of Call of Duty and Battlefield reign supreme... especially on consoles, i'd say Elite Dangerous is a worthy contender on the PC battlefront.

How many games can you say have let you jump into an unfamiliar Star System ravaged by War, deliver some medical supplies to a station, stumble into a random Space Battle along the way, win that Space Battle, drop into a surface settlement on the planet you were fighting over and help win the simultaneous ground war? All using the same ship in the same MMO?

And let's not forget, anything new and shiny, especially with the latest of... anything really, will mean a very inflated price tag.
I've seen some pretty nasty, steep prices out there attached to some of the latest over-hyped games.

 

[NikoKäsi]

Game save data is nothing to do with GDPR unless it does contain PII (about the player, not the avatar/character) in it. Which it doesn't. But I would also be interested in you testing out your theories to see how far you get. You are entitled to all data held about you, but not fictional data in computer games.

Well I'm obviously no lawyer and the topic is complicated, but couldn't you say that about your visits to different pages on a website, your saved preferences etc.?
I'm unsure what the distinction between "fictional" data is versus "non-fictional data". It's all data, connected to what you have been doing - be it on a website or in a game.
I looked up the e-mail I got from Frontier when I requested my data, but I'm not allowed to share it unfortunately. It's by no means a comprehensive list of what is included, but my best understanding of it is that some game-related data is available but not everything.

 

[Ruurka]

After two days of this message, still I feel betrayed. Normally, I could suffocate this one with my own anarchist hands for breaking a promises about Odyssey for consoles, but I'll deter from doing this.

What about console users, which have mainly console for playing and don't wanna to move in PC?
What about console squadrons (and factions), which must face with Odyssey raids due to it?
And finally, what about QoL's, which have PC users, but consoles still don't have it?

There's still too many questions about current situation to ask. And no, some console commanders will rather not move to PC due to weak PC for it.

 

[Sakashiro]

Sure, 30% is a chunk lost, but it's not catastrophic if the remaining 70% stay loyal.

They won't. If FDev migrates PC Horizons to client 4.0, many will stop playing because their PCs can't handle the new client. However, if the migration does not happen, it means that Horizons is EOL on PC and consoles alike, and players will leave because of that, or at least stop generating ARX revenue.

Besides, why don't Console players swap for a Computer?

Because Elite Dangerous has no replay value.