So there's absolutely 0 reasons for Odyssey to run poorly anymore.

Fizzatron

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Episparh said:
I do not have high hopes for performance.
My interpretation of the situation is:
"We cannot fix it."
"We won't make any profit from it."
"Let's cut all plans and release what we are holding in hope for at least some profit."
"Then we can put it in maintenance and focus on the next cash grab"

MVP at its prime!
Minimum Viable Product
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If it were all about cash grab, they would release it anyways and not cancel it, surely?
 

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Terry Daniels said:
Very true, just my opinion like much of your defenses of Fdev practices.
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I try to be sure of facts or base opinions on suppositions with merit, and back it up or provide an explanation where I can - what have you to back up your opinion apart from similar musings that add up to the same thing? Ie; FDev bad. Personally, I find only looking for the bad in things an unfortunate outlook and not an effective way to arrive at a fair and informed opinion. That's not at all to say I'm blind to the bad, just not blind to the good either.
 

Muzz UK

Muzz UK
I'm normally a pretty positive person when it comes to Elite but the performance thing is a huge concern mainly because its going to prevent a lot of EO content from arriving, or working correctly when it does. There must be a big amount of commanders on older gaming PCs and older gaming laptops who own hardware just for Elite. I don't really understand why its bad because in my mind they've just made the existing engine render more objects nothing seems that complex in terms of what is happening.

That said we're miles ahead of where we were 6 months ago and the game is playable and enjoyable 95% of the time. Still annoying to go to a ground conflict zone with poor AI and red FPS drops on a high spec PC however doesn't happen all the time. I was really hoping for Goid first person shooter game play too but I'm assuming thats on the back burner. I firmly believe console was scrapped because they know without years of work there probably isn't a way to get a solid 30 or 6fps on the PS4 and Xbox1.
 

CMDR Karrde Sun

CMDR Karrde Sun
EdzUp said:
Those were the days when coding meant getting every last millisecond out of the machine none of the release now patch later rubbish 😉
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Yeah i know. When device drivers started connecting to the cloud (!?!??!?!?!!?!?!) it was a clear sign that things had fallen from grace. Running lean is still nice even today though.
 

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Red Rocket said:
I have ben waiting to see if any announcement's about the next update were coming but I think that that the last one is the last one.
Nothing in the last live stream, can you say "maintenance mode" .

So Odyssey is as good as it gets, Sadly
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Alright, how long do you want to give it to check back in and see if this aged like wine or milk?
 

Dillon Fallon

Dillon Fallon
Fizzatron said:
Alright, how long do you want to give it to check back in and see if this aged like wine or milk?
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It's a pretty bold statement, but I think this is the only update that has been done where there wasn't already something mentioned about another one incoming.

How I might have put it is that after almost a year of what must be disappointing progress (I doubt they'll be happy with having to make the decision over consoles) they are going to at least have to move focus to other games sometime. Update 12 may still be on the way but I would question if they will maintain their previous pace or size of updates given that they don't have the same end goal.

Or maybe they're keeping quiet for a bit as it'll give them a bit of peace from us.
 

Fizzatron

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Dillon Fallon said:
It's a pretty bold statement, but I think this is the only update that has been done where there wasn't already something mentioned about another one incoming.

How I might have put it is that after almost a year of what must be disappointing progress (I doubt they'll be happy with having to make the decision over consoles) they are going to at least have to move focus to other games sometime. Update 12 may still be on the way but I would question if they will maintain their previous pace or size of updates given that they don't have the same end goal.
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I think the 'maintenance mode' trope is just a FUD/Troll expression, but I agree that it seems Frontier has shifted out of emergency triage mode with no immediate news of Update 12. I would imagine that we all would like to see the positive results of their decision to concentrate only one codebase sooner rather than later, but I would also imagine that as a result of this decision focus might be on internally cementing that with little to show for us immediately. As always we wait and see.

Dillon Fallon said:
Or maybe they're keeping quiet for a bit as it'll give them a bit of peace from us.
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Ha, if only! :)
 

metatheurgist

metatheurgist
Dillon Fallon said:
It's a pretty bold statement, but I think this is the only update that has been done where there wasn't already something mentioned about another one incoming.

How I might have put it is that after almost a year of what must be disappointing progress (I doubt they'll be happy with having to make the decision over consoles) they are going to at least have to move focus to other games sometime. Update 12 may still be on the way but I would question if they will maintain their previous pace or size of updates given that they don't have the same end goal.

Or maybe they're keeping quiet for a bit as it'll give them a bit of peace from us.
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So that year of "It's in maintenance mode" moaning before Odyssey was something I imagined then? 😛
 

Dillon Fallon

Dillon Fallon
metatheurgist said:
So that year of "It's in maintenance mode" moaning before Odyssey was something I imagined then? 😛
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Well, people are welcome to join me on console if they really want to see maintenance mode! 😆

I'm sure something was said about wanting to drop consoles so they could actually get on with the stuff they wanted to do this year and not make everything about Odyssey just fixing it. Hopefully we see something soon in that area to hopefully inject a bit more positivity into the game.
 

EdzUp

EdzUp
On the OPs original point there is so much variance in computer PC specifications right down to the OS and driver revisions having an effect on the machines capabilities itself, its in this variance that the game has to run on everyones PC. Just because consoles are not being actively developed just means there is fewer boulders in the landslide we are trying to climb.
 

Dillon Fallon

Dillon Fallon
EdzUp said:
On the OPs original point there is so much variance in computer PC specifications right down to the OS and driver revisions having an effect on the machines capabilities itself, its in this variance that the game has to run on everyones PC. Just because consoles are not being actively developed just means there is fewer boulders in the landslide we are trying to climb.
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As has been mentioned though, console development was shelved as soon as they started looking at fixing Odyssey. So ever since May, possibly longer, it's been all PC development apart from maintenance fixes on console, which will still continue. The boulders are all still there, you're just not going to climb as far.
 

EdzUp

EdzUp
Dillon Fallon said:
As has been mentioned though, console development was shelved as soon as they started looking at fixing Odyssey. So ever since May, possibly longer, it's been all PC development apart from maintenance fixes on console, which will still continue. The boulders are all still there, you're just not going to climb as far.
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With that analogy how far before they shelve PC development due to mounting requirements? We have to wonder due to the dropping of all other platforms for whatever reason 🤔
 

Episparh

Episparh
Fizzatron said:
If it were all about cash grab, they would release it anyways and not cancel it, surely?
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Oh, they would release it if it was in any state that would allow them to push on MS and Sony platforms. That is certain from the way they "released" Odyssey on PC.
Unfortunately, the development effort will most likely cost a lot more even if it is possible than potential profit. Hance a logical decision to cancel console stuff.

I will go even further and predict that we will have some content which was held pushed on PC until the end of the year and then Frontier will hide under the rock called maintenance mode. Whether performance will be fixed is yet to be seen.
 

zimms

zimms
I don't think we can expect any huge performance improvements for Odyssey in the future anymore. You either deal with the status quo, buy new hardware or already have a very powerful PC.
 

danteuk

danteuk
nanite2000 said:
Absolutely. All you need to do is buy a top-of-the-range graphics card (RRP ~$2500) and the game should run reasonably well at around 60FPS.

But if you were expecting development to improve the game engine's performance, then I have some bad news for you: their inability to improve game engine performance is one of the main reasons they have ceased console development.
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That's pretty much the case.
My old PC was recommended spec GPU and min spec CPU - it died a few weeks back. (no idea on cause, it wouldn't even POST ).
My FPS in settlements was 20-30 - and that's just walking around, not during combat! ( at 1080p )
It cost me £1045 for a new PC - I now get playable frame rates in settlements, 50-60FPS ( at 1080p )
FYI:
Old: CPU: FX-8350 GPU: GTX 1060 Mem: 24GB DDR3
New: CPU: i5-10400F GPU: RTX 3060TI Mem: 16GB DDR4
 
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