COMPLETED CG Taurus Mining Ventures Initiative

[GraphiteGB]

Well coltan in rocky was even worse... May give higher percentage if actually found but good dam it is it way rarer than the price difference suggests...

So next run have to go tritium free, back in the ice ring going to have to set it to blocked...

 

[Maolagin]

Well coltan in rocky was even worse... May give higher percentage if actually found but good dam it is it way rarer than the price difference suggests...
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So next run have to go tritium free, back in the ice ring going to have to set it to blocked...

Odd, I remembered coltan being far more abundant than that. Maybe I'm thinking of results from metal rich rings, not rocky.

 

[AceMcKool]

Isn't that always the way? You look for Tritium, you find everything BUT tritium. Look for LTD and you get tritium. Look for anything else and you suddenly find void opals. It's always the stuff you're not looking for that you end up with.

The reason why I don't do mining unless I absolutely have to.

 

[Jmanis]

Well coltan in rocky was even worse... May give higher percentage if actually found but good dam it is it way rarer than the price difference suggests...
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So next run have to go tritium free, back in the ice ring going to have to set it to blocked...

This is the big issue with mining for the "common" (or more correctly, cheaper) mining goods.

There's no "hotspots" or "cores" to exploit for them (incidentally, because players demanded them removed, oops!)... as such they're actually rarer than the otherwise "rare" (or again, more correctly, more expensive) mining goods. All FD's tweaks have been to the availability of things like Tritium and more expensive minerals to make them more available... low-end minerals have basically just been left to rot in that context.

In no sane marketplace would prices sustain like this; given the demand and availability, things like Methanol Monohydrates should be paying out orders of magnitude more than LTDs. Or alternately, the rate of mining for lower-tier minerals needs to be orders of magnitude faster. The latter would make more sense... the easiest route being making lower-end "common" mineral fragments have yields up to 300%, or introduce specialist refineries that turn the yield of lower-end minerals up to that rate.

This has always been an issue since nu-mining landed... only nobody has ever paid attention to it.

 

[Leadfoot]

things like Methanol Monohydrates should be paying out orders of magnitude more than LTDs

Well, remember, this is more a "science" thing, looking for 3 items that may have been affected by an unknown type of radiation, so it wasn't ever an "oodles of money" thing.

 

[Jmanis]

Well, remember, this is more a "science" thing, looking for 3 items that may have been affected by an unknown type of radiation, so it wasn't ever an "oodles of money" thing.

Sure, but nonetheless, it's an extant problem with the market as a whole.

For example, Methanol Monohydrate Crystals have overall higher demand and are more rare than the most expensive minerals (i.e LTDs, Osmium, Gold etc) and yet, pay out significantly less. This makes no sense whatsoever, whether this is happening within a CG or not.

e.g this market, where MMC, MC and LTDs are all market demand items, and thanks to hotspots, LTDs are easier to find.

This is not how markets work.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

another day another boneheaded balls-up from commander stoopid!.

I built a t10 mining ship. no engineering except my class 6 fsd (it was better than a none engineered 7a)

it was a quick build but for classic mining it seems ok..... except,........ I didn't put a surface scanner on it. for the CG is the icy ring right next to the megaship for the CG ok (am not confident it is tough enough to mine in a RES)
I know it means no hotspots.... I suppose I could log into open and look for other players but it's not normally how I play.
thanks.

 

[DemiserofD]

another day another boneheaded balls-up from commander stoopid!.

I built a t10 mining ship. no engineering except my class 6 fsd (it was better than a none engineered 7a)

it was a quick build but for classic mining it seems ok..... except,........ I didn't put a surface scanner on it. for the CG is the icy ring right next to the megaship for the CG ok (am not confident it is tough enough to mine in a RES)
I know it means no hotspots.... I suppose I could log into open and look for other players but it's not normally how I play.
thanks.

No hotspots for the CG minerals anyway. If you're not doing subsurface, there's literally no difference.

 

[Neilski]

FYI, this is not entirely accurate. While there are no Hotspots for these minerals, subsurface deposits give increased output while inside any hotspot, even if said hotspot does not match the mineral in question.

I checked almost 100 rocks last night and maybe 6 had Coltan.
Not one had surface or subsurface deposits! I didn't use PWA though, maybe that was a mistake?

 

[Astaran]

I checked almost 100 rocks last night and maybe 6 had Coltan.
Not one had surface or subsurface deposits! I didn't use PWA though, maybe that was a mistake?

I haven't found any Coltan surface or subsurface deposits so far, either. Just spray&pray your prospector limpets and take ALL coltan you can find (even those 9% rocks). That being said, with just some 200+ tons delivered, I'm already in Top10% right now.

I've actually "downgraded" from Cutter to Python for this mining CG. I don't think I'll ever stay long enough to get a full 512t Cutter load to the Heart of Taurus. Additionally, my Python is equipped for ALL types of mining, so just in case I come across a surface or subsurface Coltan deposit, I can still mine it.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

My FC has shipyard and outfitting online and is parked one jump away from the CG system, if you need a place to transfer your ship. My FC will remain on station for the duration of the CG.

Pencil Sector GG-Y D102 - TCS Havamal (XHB-L6M) - 6.41LY away from Synuefe CE-R C21-6

that is very kind of you. I think I will call my krait or asp over then that way I can make the trip home more quickly. I have never looked at fleet carriers and not really mined in ice rocks (despite it being far more pleasant in VR in icey rocks)

I take it the tritium would be useful to you and should hold onto that for you (or another player fleet carrier if you don't want it?). call it payment for docking services. happy to sell at market value , or shall I just dump it in the CG megaship commodities market?

 

[Leadfoot]

I haven't found any Coltan surface or subsurface deposits so far, either. Just spray&pray your prospector limpets and take ALL coltan you can find (even those 9% rocks). That being said, with just some 200+ tons delivered, I'm already in Top10% right now.

Tip that I'm currently using:

1. Zap rock with drilling laser. Get two items to come out. Stop firing. If there's no coltan, move on (and add them to the ignore list).
2. If there's ANY coltan in either of the two samples, switch to prospector, attach it and let the examination begin. This'll give you the full amount you can get.
3. Blast away. Remember to add anything you don't want to the ignore list.
4. Once the asteroid is depleted, move to the next asteroid, repeat.

I found that greatly this greatly speeds up the process. Hope that helps.

 

[Darrack]

Im currently parked next to BC2 there's a single Trit hotspot so im doing 50/50 CG and Trit restock.
Minerals are slow but its relaxing

O7

 

[Flossy]

No ship yard, No out fitting which is way worse... Nearby stations with those functions are...

New Growth, an Asteroid base in the Pencil Sector EL-Y d5 system, is just 100 LYs away from the CG system and has both Shipyard and Outfitting:

 

[Flossy]

I will be taking my newly-acquired Fleet Carrier to the CG area, probably tomorrow. I do have a shipyard, outfitting, rearm, refuel and repair so anyone is welcome to come along. Probably won't get a space in the CG system but hopefully nearby. XBY-78Z Flossy's Fleet Carrier. Yeah I know, not very original name. Currently in LDS 413

 

[Sedum]

My FC Carrier Of Burdens (J8J-L6G) is in the CG system (Synuefe CE-R c21-6), and has active shipyard, outfitting and so on. All welcome to use the facilities.

I probably won't move it until the end of CG. Apologies, I need to move it on Saturday.

Shipyard doesn't have any ships for sale, but Outfitting has various mining tools if you've forgotten something.

 

[Koben]

...
For example, Methanol Monohydrate Crystals have overall higher demand and are more rare than the most expensive minerals (i.e LTDs, Osmium, Gold etc) and yet, pay out significantly less. This makes no sense whatsoever, whether this is happening within a CG or not.

e.g this market, where MMC, MC and LTDs are all market demand items, and thanks to hotspots, LTDs are easier to find.
...
This is not how markets work.

Maybe, just maybe, Frontier chose these low end mats to be mined so they can tune and fix these inconsistencies... but remember not to get expectations too high...

 

[Darrack]

Sure, but nonetheless, it's an extant problem with the market as a whole.

For example, Methanol Monohydrate Crystals have overall higher demand and are more rare than the most expensive minerals (i.e LTDs, Osmium, Gold etc) and yet, pay out significantly less. This makes no sense whatsoever, whether this is happening within a CG or not.

e.g this market, where MMC, MC and LTDs are all market demand items, and thanks to hotspots, LTDs are easier to find.
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This is not how markets work.

It doesn't matter how rare a material is, markets work on what someone is willing to pay for them.
If we are also just looking at standard Icy rings (no hotspots) im finding more MH and LH than say Trit.

CGs as far as i can gather were never intended to make you rich, its an event you either want to take part in or you don't.

O7

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

so what are the predictions for top 75% on this then? normally I don't cut it fine however I won't be eliting this weekend . real life is in the way

 

[GraphiteGB]

so what are the predictions for top 75% on this then? normally I don't cut it fine however I won't be eliting this weekend . real life is in the way

With the bonus pay now announced as its past tier 1 the 75% will now be a lot lower
Expect the 75% to fill up with many that will only play now to insure their place for the paints..
If the bonus pay had been higher, then doing 30 mins for 30 million would have insured the chase...

My guestimate is the 75% chase will go up to 100-125 tons...