Am I correct that you are using Star Citizen to measure against Elite? On foot gameplay was part of the Kickstarter and development arc of Elite from the beginning. Go back to Star Citizen, if it's so good why waste time trolling here?
How do you feel about Elite today?
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The same place as the initial announcement they were coming to Odyssey?
Let me try to be even more clear. The current investors are : tencent, banks and funds. None of them have 1/an interest in leading Fdev 2/prefer it as passive income
Tencent have shares in literally EVERY single gaming company that is currently traded, or nearly so. Feel free to check. Like most megacorp (mostly chinese) they do that to increase their portfolio and make passive revenue generation. They don't care, and simply can't tell all those companies directives. It's a question of manpower and resources.
Banks and funds don't give a F about gaming. Or whatever the company is. They just chase safe investment for their money, following rating and the like. Whether the company is a videogame company or an aluminium mining consortium, it's all the same. They are there because it's safe, and that's all they care about. The more passive it is, the best.
Say hypothetically one of them decided to go for a power grab. Right now, tencent, the closest to DB, is sitting at 8%. DB is at 30%. Which mean they'll have to gobble up for 22% value of stocks to be equal, and that would not only not happen overnight, but also be quite visible for all. And DB would certainly fight back and buy shares to prevent that. Considering the large gap, he would have a massive advantage.
And that's only the closest.
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Still waiting for some exploration content!
Allow me to quote myself:
"If you think there is a solid business case for FDEV to continue expending resources on EDO then please state it. Please explain how they are going to get a return on that investment when nothing they have done so far has moved the needle on revenue."
This is the issue. You think that EDO is still in development and that Frontier will continue to commit resources to it. I think otherwise and I'm basing that on decades of experience as a software developer. You seem to be basing your opinion largely on wishful thinking. So far Frontier's actions seem much more in line with my view than yours. But they have a company to run and wishful thinking doesn't get you very far in business.
Again, if you have a solid business case for Frontier to continue to expending resources on a failed product then please enlighten us all.
They also called U11 "huge".
That's not exactly encouraging either. Existing services and assets aside, there's not really much new content left.
Really? Didn’t know both that and the quote. Yes definitely finding a sustainable spot in horizons seems like a sane thing to do. At least it’s safe from changes.
People are expecting frontier to fix power play now? I’m not sure I understand how this is plausible.
If 6 is neutral this is my vote. I haven't logged on for a month since I tried SC. I am waiting for new meaningful content on foot and some entertaining exploration gameplay to return. I still like the game but it cannot offer me entertainment any more.
I have heard these sentimentens way too often. I could call Elite many a things: boring, frustrating, awe inspiring, exciting, beautiful, immersive, buggy, but the one description that always comes to mind is: unfinished
So many features start out interesting, but for me ended always in: wait that's all there is to it?!
And given the track record of development, I don't have a lot of hope. Would love to be proven wrong though.
Until the game actually receives some depth, and fleshed out mechanics, it will remain for me, as 1 review mentioned: "Elite is still a sandbox for taking screenshots, and having a few fun session with friends"
And I wish it was more than only that. Additionally even having "a few fun sessions with friends" can be a royal PITA with instancing playing: "can you see me now??" Instead of the "game"
Horses of courses .... I have friends who find ship battles some of the best in genre but find the on foot experience far from being the best.
Others are Miners and myself, mostly an Explorer/Trader. I fly for a while, take a break for a while and then come back for a new adventure.
The other space sims out there don't meet what I want, so ED it is for me.
"Care is needed when comparing the different space game products" is a comment I've just said to myself. It's tempting to continue to make a comparison but it's both not relevant to the topic here nor necessarily valid to any ED future.
As for that future of ED and how I feel about it, well pessimists tend to be pessimistic and visa-versa. Let's just say, I've set my expectations low and found my own groove.
I like what ED:O brought in principle and perhaps missed out on the performance woes I've read about ('cos I was away) I've no notes about ED:O performance on my PC.
What I can see is, from those posting on forums about ED, there is a huge interest, invested hope and engaged community reponse to all things ED notwithstanding F.Dev's not always 'best in class' customer communications. The "Commmunity Comms" on the other hand has generally been pretty good over all. The two are not the same.
F.Dev's decision re: Consoles has been met well overall (though the whole silence over A/c transfer is unwelcomed) notwithstanding the obvious negative aspect of that news. Does this free up resources? Do I adjust my expectations?
Prepare of the worst, hope for the best and be willing to accept anything in the middle.
S!
Others are Miners and myself, mostly an Explorer/Trader. I fly for a while, take a break for a while and then come back for a new adventure.
The other space sims out there don't meet what I want, so ED it is for me.
"Care is needed when comparing the different space game products" is a comment I've just said to myself. It's tempting to continue to make a comparison but it's both not relevant to the topic here nor necessarily valid to any ED future.
As for that future of ED and how I feel about it, well pessimists tend to be pessimistic and visa-versa. Let's just say, I've set my expectations low and found my own groove.
I like what ED:O brought in principle and perhaps missed out on the performance woes I've read about ('cos I was away) I've no notes about ED:O performance on my PC.
What I can see is, from those posting on forums about ED, there is a huge interest, invested hope and engaged community reponse to all things ED notwithstanding F.Dev's not always 'best in class' customer communications. The "Commmunity Comms" on the other hand has generally been pretty good over all. The two are not the same.
F.Dev's decision re: Consoles has been met well overall (though the whole silence over A/c transfer is unwelcomed) notwithstanding the obvious negative aspect of that news. Does this free up resources? Do I adjust my expectations?
Prepare of the worst, hope for the best and be willing to accept anything in the middle.
S!
Hi @Jokerman 
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This is roughly the main character's motto!
Jack
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Don't suppose you've read any 'Jack Reacher' novels, (Author Lee Child).
This is roughly the main character's motto!
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I have lowered my expectations to an acceptable level of disappointment.
I haven't read them yet ...If it works for Reacher, then I guess we'll be OK!Hi @Jokerman
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Don't suppose you've read any 'Jack Reacher' novels, (Author Lee Child).
This is roughly the main character's motto!
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Sad to agree .....but there's still a lot of be happy about too.
S!
I didn't say EDO was still in development, I said Elite was still in development. Which is what you said:
And what I was responding to. What Frontier add to Odyssey vs. Elite are two separate discussions. Maybe you could stick to the one subject at hand?
Also, can you cite your source to your claim that the needle hasn't moved please?
Good for you, I have decades of experience in my field, and 14 years of that as a sole proprietor/independent contractor. I've seen enough to know that is frankly meaningless when it comes to judging what the management of any particular company is going to do in any given situation, especially one with over 500 employees. Being good/great/etc at your job as an employee doesn't equate to knowledge of how to run the business that employs you, let alone any other business within that sector.
You attributed space-legs in Elite to aping Star Citizen and didn't know that space legs were part of the original development plan, which is pretty common knowledge for those whose familiarity with Elite that goes further back than a year or two, which suggests that your knowledge on the subject isn't enough to label any counter to your anecdotal appeal to authority as 'wishful thinking'. I don't doubt your experience as a software developer but that doesn't give one magic eyes to be able to know what a completely separate company is going to do, especially when your research on the subject at hand, ie; Elite, is so obviously lacking.
And my view is what exactly, according to you?
What am I putting a solid business case forth for? To counter your What kind of absurdity are you talking about, or are we doing the whole 'set the time commitment to answer bar unreasonably high' debate tactic where if the other person doesn't fetch like a good boy then you can claim you are right by default? As if this isn't that already, and obviously, I'm sure you're keen to listen and take in such opposing viewpoints and aren't just trolling, like I already said I believe you are.
Like I said before, your initial assertion was based on a biased leading question (why should Frontier continue to flush money down the Odyssey toilet), assumption, and lack of knowledge of the subject you are passing judgment on.
Unless you work at Frontier in a capacity to know what their plans are then both of us know absolute zip about what will happen for sure. It's all pure conjecture which you present as expert analysis. I mean, I could say I called the console cancellation, but really I didn't, I just said that their decision would be based on cost/resource vs ROI, taking into account the EOL status of the last generation of consoles and also whether those resources would be better put to the overall development Elite, plus other factors. If that equation worked out to continue development on console it would, if it didn't, then they would cancel it. Evidently it didn't, it's not exactly a genius take, though of course I left out the whole FDev bad angle, which I guess for some is the easier explanation, and therefore according to Occam's Razor must logically be the explanation.
I believe the same criteria goes for the overall development of Elite, however it is further informed by a statement from the CEO of the company that said they were committed to the long-term development of Elite and the decision to cancel console development was taken to focus on that commitment. Is this the 'wishful thinking' you were talking about? I guess you can argue that David Braben is lying, or that he is engaging in wishful thinking?
Unsuccessful in what way? All ways, or some, or none?
So basically, doom and more doom. Why are you bothering with any of this btw, as in, what do you hope to achieve?
Well, that's probably the saddest news I've heard for the future of Elite - but I guess they did prep us last year by saying the big thing coming for 2022 was FC interiors... we just didn't realise it was the only thing.
But it's definitely not in maintenance mode - oh gosh no! Buy ARX!
I see what you did therePlaying it last night there did seem to be an air of defeatism about all the stations i visited, everybody just sat around doing nothing. There was even a couple sitting on the same chair which shocked me at first then I realised it must be a holo-me glitch
You're splitting hairs here. EDO is part of Elite Dangerous since it won't run without the base game installed. But since it matters to you, I'll use "EDO" for the Odyssey expansion and "Elite" for the entire franchise. Does that work for you?Fizzatron said:
Read the financial reports. They clearly show that EDO sales have been far below expectations and that this has been the case since it was released. Nothing they have done has improved things.Fizzatron said:
As it happens, I run a company with currently 400+ employees. That gives me some insight into what a company that size will do in a given situation. And my experience as software developer and entrepreneur allows me to recognize a failed software project when I see one.Fizzatron said:
First, you have me confused with another poster you have been replying to. I have never mentioned Star Citizen or space legs at all. Second, my familiarity with Elite goes back to the Kickstarter days. I am not a newcomer to this franchise.Fizzatron said:
Judging from your own words about the game's potential you think Elite is still in development and more expansions will be released in the future.Fizzatron said:
I believe I stated it plainly enough but here it is again. I'm asking you to make a business case for continuing to expend resources on Elite when they are needed on other projects that stand a much better chance of making a profit for Frontier. How will Frontier make a profit by continuing the development of Elite?Fizzatron said:
Except that I am an expert in software development and you are not. I don't need to be sitting in on Frontier board meetings to have at least some idea of what they're going to do. That's how I called consoles correctly. Knowledge of the cost of software development and some common business sense was all I needed.Fizzatron said:
Braben is simply putting the best face he can on a bad situation. As CEO, that's his job. That doesn't make him a liar or Frontier evil. Saying "yeah, we're done here" won't help them cut their losses. I'd do the same thing if I were in their shoes.Fizzatron said:
But at the same time, I don't put much stock in their commitment to Elite. I've seen plenty of press releases from companies claiming to be in it for the long haul until they suddenly weren't. There is no way forward unless they are planning a ground-up rewrite of both their engine and the game. Given the niche nature of the game and potential sales there is no business case for it. Frontier is going to have to let Elite die. I'm sure they will do it regretfully but they will do it.
I have a side business selling Doom and Gloom. Anybody want to place an order? Besides, I have Irish ancestry and so I love to argue. I also have an aversion to wishful thinking and rosy scenarios. This forum has historically had plenty of both but the events of the last year has allowed reality to intrude. At least, for some people.Fizzatron said: