I normally only leave a review for a game on steam when it is a really excellent game or it is so bad that it has really annoyed me and I feel that I have wasted my money. Hence up until this thread appeared I had not bothered to leave a review for Elite Dangerous.
Game Bashing On Steam
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You did see I was quoting someone else and that I agree with your sentimentsSo firstly a lot of players have the Lifetime Pass based on announcements in the early stages of release such as 'built to support VR', and had no other option they got Odyssey as-is like it or not.
Secondly in order to pull off a good space legs experience Frontier absolutely had to deliver something that made it worth while and is properly integrated into the base game in order for it to succeed. You don't need to be a games designer to understand that concept... yet somehow Frontier either didn't care or went ahead anyway and released something that failed on both those points. It's not complaining about not getting something they want, its complaining about something that was necessary in order to deliver a good quality experience especially when you've announced to your community that you're gonna disappear for years in order to focus on a large good quality update/expansion... that's the 3rd thing that Frontier failed to deliver.
You can't hide behind a bizarre lawyer led thinking that goes along the lines of "well we never said it would be any good, what's the problem." Odyssey was total garbage, that's not subjective opinion when enough people feel that way its a commercial and critical failure that has damaged Frontiers reputation. Frontier announce a large publisher sale this weekend and new titles coming out.... Err no I don't think so, get Elite back on track then market other stuffz
...and I don't even mind about ship interiors not being in, nor have I left a bad steam review. In fact even on the VR front if I could just remove my HMD and play seamlessly on a monitor without having to restart the game that would be tolerable
With EDO being on sale on Steam ATM I'd expect more reviews to be posted, both positive and negative.
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It's on sale. A lot of people probably just picked it up and didn't like it.
I think that, at this point, anyone who is familiar with Elite knows what they're getting into with Odyssey, ie; recent events, what Odyssey offers etc.. so it will be interesting to see new players, which I assume you refer to, vs seasoned players reviews. So far, more than a few of the old misleading tropes are there. We will see, won't we? AFAIK, Steam reviews are there to review the game, not Frontier, or use it as a platform to promote Star Citizen etc.. I believe doing that would be against TOS for Steam?
You can see a pattern in the reviews though. More often than not, there's a mention of the performance or a hint at a bad experience with the on-foot gameplay.
I think in that second case, partly this is FDEV's fault. Their excessive grind design has finally bit them it seems. I think maybe we're finding people start off too weak. This makes enemies a bit spongy. This leads to repeated weapon switching which the switch animations are too slow for, which makes players irritated at the gunplay design. Then they get killed and lose an hour, which completely sours them on the whole thing. Enjoy your APEX ride. I didn't even START the FPS gameplay until after I had bought a level 3 Maverick suit. When I upgraded my energy weapons the first time, I really noticed what a difference it makes. Bad framerate + pea shooter + neofabric insulation + apex ride = mad boi. I really think they should have shortened the switch animations and reload animations by 25% from normal so as not to run afoul of repetition.
It's crazy to me that all these people talk about SC, though. I know it's a new game, it's a breath of fresh air, but is SC actually good at this point? Last I checked, it was broken worse than Odyssey and sold people up to $10000~ ships.
And if SC is some kind of good at this point, why the f does SC just get to be good at this point after all the ridiculously rotten stuff it has actively pulled on people by now?
I think in that second case, partly this is FDEV's fault. Their excessive grind design has finally bit them it seems. I think maybe we're finding people start off too weak. This makes enemies a bit spongy. This leads to repeated weapon switching which the switch animations are too slow for, which makes players irritated at the gunplay design. Then they get killed and lose an hour, which completely sours them on the whole thing. Enjoy your APEX ride. I didn't even START the FPS gameplay until after I had bought a level 3 Maverick suit. When I upgraded my energy weapons the first time, I really noticed what a difference it makes. Bad framerate + pea shooter + neofabric insulation + apex ride = mad boi. I really think they should have shortened the switch animations and reload animations by 25% from normal so as not to run afoul of repetition.
It's crazy to me that all these people talk about SC, though. I know it's a new game, it's a breath of fresh air, but is SC actually good at this point? Last I checked, it was broken worse than Odyssey and sold people up to $10000~ ships.
And if SC is some kind of good at this point, why the f does SC just get to be good at this point after all the ridiculously rotten stuff it has actively pulled on people by now?
Doesn't mean it isn't an honest review. Some people probably held out for a sale, got it on sale, and didn't like it. Then left a review.
You're cherry picking.
And hey, I don't mind if Star Citizen is...
I don't mind if Star Citizen is.
But to see people throw it out there when talking crap on Odyssey puts a bad taste in my mouth because it's like, hey, do you know this thing over here has had like half a dozen triple-Odysseys by now just getting to here?
I don't mind if Star Citizen is.
But to see people throw it out there when talking crap on Odyssey puts a bad taste in my mouth because it's like, hey, do you know this thing over here has had like half a dozen triple-Odysseys by now just getting to here?
Yeah, bad as Odyssey was at launch, comparing it to the nowhere near complete, even more buggy, SC with it's broken or outright missing mechanics and game loops, and single system, while costing $450M, is a bit ridiculous. SC is not currently one tenth of the game ED is @ multiple times the price. It might be someday, but not today.
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I suspect that pretty much sums it up, but if you want to discuss it more in depth, this is the way.
I don't think it's cherry picking. The beauty of the internet is that morons will always be most prominent.
This is the first review I get when I click on recent reviews for ED:
Yeah, sure. 193 people found that helpful.
The second review is this:
Dead live service game with no future run by the most incompetent, skillless, and scummy company I've ever encountered.
I've never felt more compelled to write a negative review and actively dissuade people from purchasing a game before, but Frontier Developments deserves every ounce of criticism and hate they get.
Nearly every gameplay loop is extremely shallow, repetitive, and poorly thought out.
What's the least grindy way of getting materials for progression? Of course, that would be going to one specific location, and then logging in and out repeatedly for hours and recollecting the materials that respawn with 0 threat. Thought you would have any incentive to explore the "1:1 scale" replica of the entire galaxy, and hunt materials down yourself? Nope, unless you prefer dedicating literal weeks to only that, and not even coming close to what you would get from a few hours of just relogging. I'm not exaggerating. This is actually how ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ designed the game is. Oh, and there's a material limit too in your inventory, so you'll always have to do this again
How to earn credits to buy things? You can mine asteroids which is going to be over 50x more efficient than all the other activities, is the easiest, and there is zero threat of losing anything. Literally every time you enter a mining hotspot, there will be 1 pirate A.I. that scans you for cargo (which you have none of since you just got there), and then never interacts with you again. You can then mine all you want with no threat. If you log out and log back in, the game respawns the pirate near you though, and it will scan you and attack you unless you drop some cargo. There is no literally no variance at all to this.
Even with mining's stupid payouts, you still need to grind for hours and hours to outfit a ship, and that's not even including the material grind you'll have to do after to upgrade it. If you wanted to play the game leisurely doing whatever you wanted, it would take you actual weeks to make any amount of progression. And then after spending all this time trying to progress, you realize the game has zero fun or rewarding gameplay loops. It punishes you for wanting to try new things since you need to grind before being able to actually do them properly, which is when you learn they are just as shallow as everything else in the game.
The recently released Odyssey expansion is absolute unfinished, unoptimized ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Frontier claimed it would have the same requirements as the base game, and people on 3090s are still getting sub 30 fps in areas that ran fine in the base game. I'm sure that must be great to play in VR, which they announced they would not touch at all anymore, besides critical bug fixes. By the way, Elite is a "flagship PC VR game" according to Frontier.
As for content, Odyssey adds like 2 dozen of the same plants spread across every planet in the entire galaxy, and bland FPS gameplay. You can have your own "Neil Armstrong moment" though according to Frontier, by fading to black as you exit your ship and magically appear on the surface of a planet, just like Armstrong did on the moon.
Oh, Frontier also recently baited console players for a year, telling them Odyssey was being worked on, before announcing they're never giving consoles any more content, and that the DLC is canceled for them. They didn't even prepare any kind of real transfer system to carry over all your progress to PC either.
There's so much more I could write about, but I think it's quite clear what kind of game you can expect. The only good thing about it is the graphics and sound design.
The vast majority of my hours in this game are from reading and watching stuff in VR with the game in the background, or deriving entertainment from messing around with friends and not from the actual game itself.
Indeed! I'll steal that quote for future use, thanks!
It may have... Just reading the first 2 lines encouraged me to ignore the remainder.
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yeah maybe I did, sorry. I'll go back and fix it later its cos you didn't quote it.You did see I was quoting someone else and that I agree with your sentiments
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What they are trying to say is that Lifetime Pass Owners aren't able to leave a Steam review but a lot would given half the chance and it wouldn't be a positive one.
I read the review... sounds like the reviewer was following one of the more popular "how to" guides to the letter... or as I like to call them, the "how to ruin your experience in the game" guides. Because for some reason people are still being told that grinding to accomplish your goals serially while watching Netflix is the best approach to this game.It may have... Just reading the first 2 lines encouraged me to ignore the remainder.
It couldn't possibly be that a bunch of people recently bought the game in the sale. Is the spike of positive reviews suspicious as well?
TLDR of this thread: All negative reviews are an orchestrated, malicious attack with ulterior motives. And anyway, whoever buys the game now should know what they are getting into - a negative review really wouldn't be fair. Therefore all negative reviews are inherently dishonest and invalid.