ObsidianAnt: Frontier - What The HECK Is Going On With Elite Dangerous?

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Old Duck

Old Duck
Erei said:
"The forum is so toxic with all those DOOM thread and negative people !"
Say the very same people who engage in witch hunting over a video the maker didn't even post there. Then accuse said videomaker of being a paid shill for another company, which is somehow seen a malicious toward the forum owners.
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That's better than comparing him (and you, for that matter) to a spouse abuser... I guess when you're father (and spouse and employee and general human being) of the year, everyone else is a monster in your eyes.

Dear mods, I hope you come in and clean up this thread, cause it's gone off the rails.
 

Erei

Erei
Frankymole said:
Yes but we're allowed to criticise, apparently, according to the doom-vid defenders. Can't have it both ways, FDev being allowed to be bashed but their bashers not being allowed to be bashed. that'd be hypocritical.
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Fdev is a company. It doesn't feel, it's not sentient and is free to bash.
OA is a person. And it's not allowed to bash people.
Old Duck said:
That's better than comparing him (and you, for that matter) to a spouse abuser... I guess when you're father (and spouse and employee and general human being) of the year, everyone else is an abuser in your eyes.

Dear mods, I hope you come in and clean up this thread, cause it's gone off the rails.
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I missed the part about abuse. Some people are taking it way too seriously.
 

Derek Speare [VR]

Derek Speare [VR]
FDev is more concerned with stock price and profit than they are at producing quality content. As long as the players don't get to unruly and keep grinding away for trivial success, their profits will grow and Brabham will get richer...they have no f's to give otherwise. #kindly #wake #up #and #smell #the #money

Ever since they went public, the trend has been clear to those who want to see it.
 

Jack Winter

Jack Winter
I understand that there is a lot of emotional pressure on the people that love ED right now. Still those that have been around for a long time ought to know that this is classic FDev.. It's not the first time around the wheel as problematic launches and communication silence is concerned...

But what I do have to say in FDev's defence is that they have published this game for many years by now, and I for one think it's epic. I'd imagine that most of you feel the same, or you wouldn't be here arguing about it. :D
 

Sysmon

Sysmon
Old Duck said:
A couple of chatters in his stream wanting to compare EDO with SC (from a "Star Citizen is so much better!" angle), but OA didn't take the bait. In other words, OA isn't the hater that some (more worthy of that title IMO) paint him to be.
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He's more a waffler than a hater. At least his voice is soothing and the imagery he subjects us to is usually calming as well. Very meditative, embracing the zen of pointlessness in a non-offensive way. I approve.

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Old Duck

Old Duck
Frankymole said:
Yes but we're allowed to criticise, apparently, according to the doom-vid defenders. Can't have it both ways, FDev being allowed to be bashed but their bashers not being allowed to be bashed. that'd be hypocritical.
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I guarantee you if I copy and pasted what people are saying about OA in this thread and changed it to say the very same things about Frontier or an individual employee, I would be banned for life. What OA says about Frontier in his video is civil, especially in comparison to the vitriol in this thread against OA. Is it "bashing", I don't personally think so. It's a critical analysis, yes, and perhaps it's a bit "over-seasoned" with a touch too much emotion, but even an angry Ant is way more civil than many folks here on their best day.
 

cmdrdale

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My read of the situation today:
  • Players who agree with OA and other "doomsayers" are mad at Frontier because they want Elite and FDev to be better, and probably in many cases because they want a reason to come back.
  • Players who disagree with OA and other doomsayers want to enjoy their game without having to wade through negative posts, and presumably dislike the negativity because they don't want it to put off new players, thus hastening Elite's demise.
And there are so many posts over one or the other of these points. Whole threads! We keep coming back.

Regardless of my opinions of Elite, Frontier should probably be proud of the fact that they've made a game that can still provoke this level of feeling from its players eight years after release. I would wager not many games can make that claim.

(In the interest of saying something on topic, I happen to agree with OA. And if FDev turned over a new communications leaf tomorrow, I firmly believe that OA would make a positive video about it—and that he'd be personally quite happy, because I think he wants to play the game.)
 

ZeeWolf

ZeeWolf
cmdrdale said:
My read of the situation today:
  • Players who agree with OA and other "doomsayers" are mad at Frontier because they want Elite and FDev to be better, and probably in many cases because they want a reason to come back.
  • Players who disagree with OA and other doomsayers want to enjoy their game without having to wade through negative posts, and presumably dislike the negativity because they don't want it to put off new players, thus hastening Elite's demise.
And there are so many posts over one or the other of these points. Whole threads! We keep coming back.

Regardless of my opinions of Elite, Frontier should probably be proud of the fact that they've made a game that can still provoke this level of feeling from its players eight years after release. I would wager not many games can make that claim.

(In the interest of saying something on topic, I happen to agree with OA. And if FDev turned over a new communications leaf tomorrow, I firmly believe that OA would make a positive video about it—and that he'd be personally quite happy, because I think he wants to play the game.)
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and they all lived happily ever after
 

WeComeInPeace

WeComeInPeace
robbyp said:
Why you feel the need to post this I don't know. If you wanted to see the doom monster a quick YouTube search would work. No need to publicise it for him.

He long ago decided that the best way to monetise was to be negative not positive.

Don't feed him
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When striving for positive so much that saying the truth out loud becomes taboo, everything becomes Comical Ali.
 

Old Duck

Old Duck
cmdrdale said:
Players who disagree with OA and other doomsayers want to enjoy their game without having to wade through negative posts, and presumably dislike the negativity because they don't want it to put off new players, thus hastening Elite's demise.
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FWIW, while I agree with the overall message of OA's video, I do think it was a mistake for the OP to post it in this forum the way he did. It does feel a little bit like a "negativity hand grenade" the way it was lobbed in here. Note that OA himself did not do this, however. In fact, I'm pretty sure he wishes it never was, LOL.
 

CMDR Karrde Sun

CMDR Karrde Sun
There's a huge assumption / naivety problem that's clouding the reality of the patches that frontier deliver.

For some reason, people are still assuming that elite is getting mmo like maintenance when the fact is since 2017 its literally only had single player maintenance. Elite is not elder scrolls online, or guild wars, its actually a better match with egosofts x games.

If anything, people expecting the panther clipper, fixing powerplay, balancing pvp etc that should get checked.

You can add back new content in anything they don't need to change the game for, galnet, community goals and fluff.. but that's it? Actual patches are just a bonus.

In my experience, there's only one truth for frontier. They only "communicate" when they have an intention of doing something. When they don't communicate, that is active communication that they're not working on anything at the moment. This checks out 100% of the time, if only for managing personal expectations. The counter mode of kickstarter hopium frontier clinging love.. or even mutual respect as i liked to think about it.. well the last time that worked out was 2017... its 2022... and they're cutting not adding..
 

Frankymole

Frankymole
Old Duck said:
I guarantee you if I copy and pasted what people are saying about OA in this thread and changed it to say the very same things about Frontier or an individual employee, I would be banned for life. What OA says about Frontier in his video is civil, especially in comparison to the vitriol in this thread against OA. Is it "bashing", I don't personally think so. It's a critical analysis, yes, and perhaps it's a bit "over-seasoned" with a touch too much emotion, but even an angry Ant is way more civil than many folks here on their best day.
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Yes, you have a good point. However I do think OA's videos took on the tone of a jilted lover and even when FDev do something right, he omits to mention it more often than not. Sins of omission do lead to an unbalanced view... maybe he just played it too much and got jaded instead of having fun. Similar with Drew.
 

Jack Winter

Jack Winter
Yes I wish that people would stop posting youtube videos like that. I'm perfectly capable of finding my youtube elite content all by myself (and OA is someone I've always liked to watch).

And though the criticism might very well be on point, I do think that OA ought to know FDev and its practices by now, and that the video title is very clickbaity.

Edited for clarity as I forgot to quote..
 

Erei

Erei
Frankymole said:
Yes, you have a good point. However I do think OA's videos took on the tone of a jilted lover and even when FDev do something right, he omits to mention it more often than not. Sins of omission do lead to an unbalanced view... maybe he just played it too much and got jaded instead of having fun. Similar with Drew.
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To be fair, good news from Fdev have been rare this days.
He did cover the FC interiors, which was a good news. I don't think of any other recent "good news" ?
 

Old Duck

Old Duck
Frankymole said:
Yes, you have a good point. However I do think OA's videos took on the tone of a jilted lover and even when FDev do something right, he omits to mention it more often than not. Sins of omission do lead to an unbalanced view... maybe he just played it too much and got jaded instead of having fun. Similar with Drew.
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I agree. As mentioned above, I think it was a mistake for the OP to have "lobbed" Ant's video into this forum like a grenade. Had OA made the video and then posted it here himself, then perhaps some of the criticism in this thread would be more warranted. But Ant is talking to his audience, of whom I am one, and we're a very different group of people than the faithful fans (nothing wrong with that) who make this forum their primary "home".

None of that excuses the vitriol directed at Ant himself by a select few here, but Ant's a tough guy and he doesn't need me to white knight for him, so I think I'll just leave it at that.
 
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