Well, it's rather hard to have a healthy relation with the current GF when the you have 2 ex-gf throwing in your face how despicable human being you are and how you wasted x years of their lives
ObsidianAnt: Frontier - What The HECK Is Going On With Elite Dangerous?
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Well, it's rather hard to have a healthy relation with the current GF when the you have 2 ex-gf throwing in your face how despicable human being you are and how you wasted x years of their lives
Well, it's rather hard to have a healthy relation with the current GF when the you have 2 ex-gf throwing in your face how despicable human being you are and how you wasted x years of their lives
You really have no clue who Obsidian Ant is (as in, the person himself), do you. But I actually appreciate the over-the-top hyperbole, as I don't even have to try to refute it - it pretty much refutes itself.
I like tangerines.
Tangerine dreams...
Oh, I was under the impression that was exactly what we were doing... Even if the context is, on occasion, somewhat blurred.
Phaedra, Rubicon - Marvellous, or was that Edgar Froese or whatever his name was) ???Tangerine dreams...
EDIT:In fact that is tonight sleep tune on my Digital Walkman' - Sort of an iPod, but with a picture screen, b4 iPod had them (yes I am old !!!)
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Why?
I do believe that Elite is at a really low point at the moment following a failed launch, following a lot of extra costs due to the 4-6 crunching months of extended dev post release and with low sales.
Elite is a a low point. Budgetary cuts are obvious.
So what ED needs now is sales.
Criticism, even under the self-proclaimed "constructive criticism" tag, is not really helpful. Especially when it's overdone
It's like hitting someone sick that is already on the ground. (Come on you lazy whatever. Get up, stop faking sickness, you are not sick you are lazy, get to work...)
And this does not help Elite selling more copies. Au contraire it creates a negative vibe around the game.
When was last time when OA covered a nice event in game not to mention of organizing one? (not necessarily like Buur / Rheeney, but i'm thinking about them)
Even the Carrier tour had a lot of bashing on performance issues and broken code that i would rather blame on some software issues with his setup at the moment of the capture and not necessarily on EDO alone.
Anyway, If you check his channel you'll notice tabloid titles for Elite content (sinking, doom, no content, console canceled, planetary tilling canceled etc), but not only for Elite.
I see some tabloid titles for other games too, so yea i guess everyone gets the idea: tabloids do sell
The only thing OA did with that video was to increase his views.
And again, how is that helping Elite?
That post you quoted had nothing related to OA.
I have no reason to believe he's anything but a genuine nice guy in person and in real life.
And i can make a clear separation between his bashing on ED and his personal life.
Pretty much the same way i dont think a ganker in Elite is a bad person in real life
So let's not get there.
Edit: to be extra clear, i have nothing against the man himself, but i dont like his business model and this is what we're talking about
( It was strictly related to the sitcom scenario where the ex-gf is bad mouthing you in front of the new gf and then they both ally against you - pretty much one episode from 2 and a half men or one from the big bang theory
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As he's been a staple for Elite Dangerous for as long as it's existed (sorry, I had tried to convey that in my post).Why?
I do believe that Elite is at a really low point at the moment following a failed launch, following a lot of extra costs due to the 4-6 crunching months of extended dev post release and with low sales.
Elite is a a low point. Budgetary cuts are obvious.
So what ED needs now is sales.
Criticism, even under the self-proclaimed "constructive criticism" tag, is not really helpful. Especially when it's overdone
It's like hitting someone sick that is already on the ground. (Come on you lazy whatever. Get up, stop faking sickness, you are not sick you are lazy, get to work...)
And this does not help Elite selling more copies. Au contraire it creates a negative vibe around the game.
When was last time when OA covered a nice event in game not to mention of organizing one? (not necessarily like Buur / Rheeney, but i'm thinking about them)
Even the Carrier tour had a lot of bashing on performance issues and broken code that i would rather blame on some software issues with his setup at the moment of the capture and not necessarily on EDO alone.
Anyway, If you check his channel you'll notice tabloid titles for Elite content (sinking, doom, no content, console canceled, planetary tilling canceled etc), but not only for Elite.
I see some tabloid titles for other games too, so yea i guess everyone gets the idea: tabloids do sell
The only thing OA did with that video was to increase his views.
And again, how is that helping Elite?
Yes, they need sales. For any of us who feel the way you may do, Obsidian may do and that I do: we hopefully all know that continued bad comms, repeated mistakes and no vision of the future all equate to unhappy customers which equates to less revenue. I can't speak on Obsidians behalf but if his mind works anything like mine, then that would've been at the forefront of his mind for creating it for the reason I just mentioned.
I think it helps Elite by getting feedback to Frontier which is essential for Frontier to do the best work they can.
I agree with you on the tabloid titles, with what seems to be a general sentiment now towards Elite they're going to be what draws people in. However, Elite did cancel the planetary tiling (and if you watched the video I think he did a fair job of saying it bothers some people and not others). They did cancel further console development. He did cover the fleet carrier interiors (though I didn't watch that video to see whether it was pos/neg) and FD hasn't really had any new content. They've just had continued silence about whatever new/exciting thing they want to share, first, and even a general silence about anything. In last week's Discovery Scanner Zac said he'd be interested to hear about your mining ship of choice and several people responded (a lot more responded about other things) but Zac never replied to anyone. I don't think that's the community engagement people are expecting and is just another negative towards FD. Whatever the reason for the silence, they're not doing themselves any favors on the PR side and I think it leaves limited options for content creators to talk about, so why not talk about the silence?Anyway, If you check his channel you'll notice tabloid titles for Elite content (sinking, doom, no content, console canceled, planetary tilling canceled etc), but not only for Elite.
I see some tabloid titles for other games too, so yea i guess everyone gets the idea: tabloids do sell
I'm pretty sure Frontier got the memo already
After all, they are the ones that have all the numbers.
How much the failed launch did cost them, how much they got out of it, how many players they've lost, how many they lose with each week of delayed transfers etc.
Totally this. Well expressed sir
Yeah buddy. It's sad isn't it. I think we're all in the boat where we're hoping for a big shake up at Frontier.
I guess the CM team have to do with whatever resources they get allocated.
ED fared really bad last year.
FDev is a PLC, they cant keep running a non-profitable project, so to keep Elite running they have to do some cuts (Frontier finished the first 6 months of FY2022 at a 1.3 millions pounds loss)
And we see clearly see them cuts
So the CM team has to keep the ship running, and they're trying.
It sux to be in their shoes now, but they are doing the best they can given the circumstances and they do have my respect for that
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Papaya* dreamsTangerine dreams...
We will probably have an announcement about how they'll announce (soon) their plan for better communication. Stay tuned.
Also, to be fair, OA is a lot more entertaining than the CM to watch on stream. Not to throw shade on them, but they are not professional streamer and all. It's not as easy as a job as you might thing.
Some company hire actual streamers to do that kind of stuff. Paradox did, for example.
It's not meant to be against them at all, I fully understand. Plus it's kinda hard to have an interesting stream and give informations from your company and interact with the players and not give informations you're not supposed to say.
Sorry mate I know you’re a good guy, but you’re defending all and everything what will be simple critical towards elite and Fdev.
i think you have some expertise n the gaming world, to simple accept that, Fdev makes at the moment a totally worse figure with elite, therefore the treatments of the community in any way is totally out of time.
to be clear I know you’re not a blind guy and you’re knowing what the problems is. But you should try to keep some realistic thoughts. I mean back in the day the doomwistler including myself see the cancellation of console development coming, and i remember that you’re arguing against us. Ask me I’ve lost the game on consoles already, but now checking from the distance and compare them to other companies, Fdev is an old Dinosaurus. Especially when in their own portfolio things running vital and well. Sorry for doomwisteling again. But when a company decide such things like not fixing bugs because of money issues, then you know that there is something going wrong
They have a studio and people to help with production. I'd say that's professional. Whether you enjoy them or not of course is entirely up to you.
I can have a garage full of tool but you wouldn't call me a mechanic.They have a studio and people to help with production. I'd say that's professional. Whether you enjoy them or not of course is entirely up to you.
I'm talking about skills. Not an expensive studio everyone can buy with enough money. They aren't as entertaining than a professional streamers, and they are not either. They are CM. They are paid for being CM which include a lot more than streaming.
And to be fair, they don't aim to be streamers, they aim to do a CM job, which include streams.
Stop nitpicking on word please.
You are absolutely correct: When a publicly traded company is not getting sufficient return to maintain a project, funding gets pulled.
Consoles were probably pulled because EDO development was already over budget.
Planetary tiling issues required too much effort to correct, so, by inference, would cost too much to put right.
Frontier is a business, and fallible, EDO's release, and subsequent 11 months of 'fixes' is costing them revenue, the project is probably on very thin ice today, and the temperature is rising!
I'm not nitpicking. I completely disagree with your assessment that a commercial games studio running streams from a manned and fully fitted studio could be considered to be not professional. And you can tell the difference now they have returned to the studio.
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