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VR Golgot

VR Golgot
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Oh god this image. This is the most SC image 😁

So two days ago, I ordered a Drink from the Bartender a Whiskey or what have you.. and he gave me a Pips Drink Dispenser instead of the Whiskey LOL! I love it! Thank You Lorville Bartender.. Don't know what the use of it does.. as I can't left click and let it flow out some pips! lol
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First Person to Obtain a Pips Drink Dispenser? - Star Citizen Spectrum

So two days ago, I ordered a Drink from the Bartender a Whiskey or what have you.. and he gave me a Pips Drink Dispenser instead of the Whiskey LOL! I love it! Thank You Lorville Bartender.. Don't...
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(Oh lol that's the Venture Executive Gold Armour too - they've paid at least $5k for this experience ;))

The best part is that if I'm not mistaken, by taking that dispenser, you just broke the bartender on that server for the remainder of the server's existence.
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VR Golgot

VR Golgot
Agony_Aunt said:
What i love about that one is the menu for repair, refuel, etc. That after years and years of dreamcrafting about how they would work, how NPCs would scuttle around your ship refuelling and repairing your ship, they basically went for the same solution ED has.
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I was just surprised it worked! (It was still borked last I heard)

But yeah the whole 'Drones get hyped, drones get added, drones get removed' thing was pretty funny ;)
 

Mole HD

Mole HD
VR Golgot said:
I was just surprised it worked! (It was still borked last I heard)

But yeah the whole 'Drones get hyped, drones get added, drones get removed' thing was pretty funny ;)
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The last time I can recall seeing repair drones was pre 3.0...2.63 was the last time I ever saw any and only at the old style Covalex refuelling hubs. I certainly can't remember seeing any since then...could be mistaken of course :)
 
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Surefoot

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Mole HD said:
The last time I can recall seeing repair drones was pre 3.0...2.63 was the last time I ever saw any and only at the old style Covalex refuelling hubs. I certainly can't remember seeing any since then...could be mistaken of course :)
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I was about to mention them. We had those in 2.x builds. They were silently dropped from 3.0 onwards. Also the UI changed at least twice in the mean time.
 

WhiteHaulerMan

WhiteHaulerMan
Mole HD said:
The last time I can recall seeing repair drones was pre 3.0...2.63 was the last time I ever saw any and only at the old style Covalex refuelling hubs. I certainly can't remember seeing any since then...could be mistaken of course :)
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Controversial opinion I know, but I'm not massively keen on 'drones' and AI support for Players in a game where they're trying to encourage inter-player co-operation.

In a simplistic sense, it's feels like the guy who plays a 'barbarian fighter' type class in a sci-fi soap opera RPG, and then brings a high intelligence droid to the table.
 

VR Golgot

VR Golgot
WhiteHaulerMan said:
Controversial opinion I know, but I'm not massively keen on 'drones' and AI support for Players in a game where they're trying to encourage inter-player co-operation.

In a simplistic sense, it's feels like the guy who plays a 'barbarian fighter' type class in a sci-fi soap opera RPG, and then brings a high intelligence droid to the table.
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Bad News: CIG want to add profound layers of AI support for players, notably in the form of crew members who can do everything players can do.

Good News: We're 9 years in and they've added none of it so far ;)
 

VR Golgot

VR Golgot
Blast from the Past: Mocap Me Like Your French Girls

April 2022: "Someone just pointed out to me that motion capture for S42 was done during the Obama administration."


A Brief Timeline:

May 2013 - CIG film a nude lady for no apparent reason.

June 2013 - "$10 Million and an Optitrack Motion Capture System Funded by You!"

March 2014 - CIG continue to use their in-house mocap studio.

Feb 2015 - CIG have decided they'll actually use Andy Serkis's Imaginarium in the UK.

October 2015 - Big actors continue to get added to the roster.

October 2016 - Over 20 hours of performance capture.

August 2020 - Pick up shoots required as the data was captured "some time ago" and "the game has progressed a lot since then". NB 250 scenes shot in total.

February 2022 - "Some of the team traveled to the UK to work alongside the Mo-Cap and Audio teams to capture vignettes and complete the first pass of content for the female player character..."


Some Unverifiable Dev Gossip:

Agent's Stuff:

  • wanna know the reason you're seeing so many artists working on shirts and hats? gotta build all of them for the sq42 cutscenes, which (as of right now) takes place in combat and non-combat areas, so crobbers wanted everyone off duty in civ garb
  • problem with that is, you gotta test all the mocapped models with the hyper realistic clothing they have, which is broken as and produces hilarious bugs that take the artists dozens of hours to fix by hand
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NB Agent says this was later confirmed, but I can't drag it up from the memory hole.

oh and oldman was annoyed because he found out sandi was getting paid more than him

enjoy that one
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hello, some of this is rehashed again
  • new mocap shoot coming up right before halloween, will continue for several weeks (hearing for prelude, can't be right)
  • in june 2016 hamil did most of what we'll see in the sq42 prelude
  • problems with old animation vs new engine upgrade is causing a lot of problems
  • more specifically: old shoots done with different tech, new captures much easier to get in and working
  • tech was upgraded without realizing how it affected current animation capture and tools
  • every NPC interaction in the prelude is entirely hand scripted at this point, no subsumption or "true" AI
  • almost all scenes will have to be reshot with stand ins for the A list cast animations (already happening since early this year)
  • internally sq42 prelude is still on for march 2017, many fights about deadline releasing with roberts and sandi (for some reason)
  • "huge" scenes with dozens of characters paired down due to problems getting them to run, talked about hiring outside CGI animators for larger cutscenes
  • mess hall scene now features less than five characters including PC, was over two dozen
  • "[Roberts] wrote this like a 100 million dollar sci-fi epic without regard to seeing how it feasibly functions."
  • sq42 prelude supposedly "in medias res"
  • "The problem [with the Morrow tour] was that it didn't hook anyone. We needed a hook; a punch, an explosion right off the bat."
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hello
  • some contention over payments due 3lateral / faceware (same company btw)
  • friction over potential losses if camera is canceled with new owners (epic bought 3lat earlier this year)
  • losses / lost payments total "tens of millions"
  • would have to sell "many units" to break even on camera
  • "low priority" for CIG and Epic, as numbers of potential sales look low / dire
  • if there's no agreement met with current issues, 3lat can stop any and all mocap footage using their rigs / technology from appearing in SC
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hello and holy fricking poop
  • SQ42 supposedly undergoing a huge push for release but encountering some issues
  • These issues include mostly gameplay but also have serious problems with animation, lighting and texture fidelity
  • Mocap data having to be "recleaned" at a very high cost in manhours but with little real progress
  • Other problems include VA and story changes
  • New VAs and actors have been brought in to replace key roles (been hearing this for in ever)
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Apparent angry ex-dev 'atxsperg' (2016)

the imaginarium is one of the worst mocap studios around. Mr. Gollum is a huge poopoo head who has a lot of money and thinks just buying the most expensive equipment makes him up there with the best. But its not, its passable but VERY expensive. Its one of the most expensive mocap joints around because Mr. "Artist" owns the thing and is high on his own supply.

wanna know the height of irony? the best mocap studios in the world are in fricking LA. they are cheaper and staffed with teams that know what the frick they are doing and guess what, the fricking actors ARE ALREADY IN LA. SO IS CIG FOR FRICKS SAKE.
No reason to ship the whole cast and crew to the uk for a pickup shoot, just pop down to house of moves or wherever and do it there. plus everyone gets to sleep in their own beds at night... the actors love that.

like seriously, the only way to get more expensive mocap than the imaginarium is to build a mocap studio on the moon. or mars. its literally the most expensive place in the known galaxy to do mocap. you go there because you want golumn guy to sign your one ring poster. you go there for bragging rights. that's about it.
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Postscript:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1186077390612512768
Source: https://twitter.com/MarkHamill/status/1186077390612512768

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/vvtp5u
Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/vvtp5u/the_quarry_2022_shows_issues_with_squadron42_mocap/
 
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Xink

Xink
She's also the daughter of a Sith Lord as well as a Skywalker at the same time. Oh and the most powerful force user ever to exist, all without any prior Jedi training. Oh and can also fly ships, repair anything, talk to droids <mumble mumble>

What were we talking about?

Oh right. I for one cannot wait for the new crouch box stacking tech. I am told carrying boxes is "fun". Carrying boxes while crouched can only be more "fun".
 

Navigare Necesse Est

Navigare Necesse Est
Xink said:
She's also the daughter of a Sith Lord as well as a Skywalker at the same time. Oh and the most powerful force user ever to exist, all without any prior Jedi training. Oh and can also fly ships, repair anything, talk to droids <mumble mumble>

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The fact that this crap passed quality control - maybe there is a larger cultural deficit at hand. Where mental excretives don't get recognised as such anymore.
 
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