That really doesn’t say much. I mean Bob could be coming in every Tuesday working from noon until 2pm and I could say “we’re working very hard behind the scenes. And will deliver news as soon as Bob has something to share.” Leave out the details about Bob working two hours a week and it’s exactly what we’ve been given. Now, I do believe they’re working on something as I still sort of trust the CMs at their word, but it’s a stretch to say they’ve given any information with that statement.
ObsidianAnt: Frontier - What The HECK Is Going On With Elite Dangerous?
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Why don't you try to enjoy a simple joke?
toxic positivism?
It's a game - it's supposed to be fun. And being positive about something fun is not what i would call toxic.
The moment it isn't fun anymore, move to some other activities that are fun, be it another game or something else entirely.
So yea, i can accept that someone might not find the game fun anymore.
What i dont get is why wasting time hating some game instead of finding something else that is fun? (edit: and no, this is not about OA)
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Being positive about something, especially the game, isn't the problem on the forums. It's being extremely negative about criticism, regardless of how many members see it as valid, to the point of suggesting that people who see a value in offering that criticism should go somewhere else. And to the point where babelfish convinces himself that he read something he didn't read, and didn't say something that he said.
On boards where that kind of mindset takes over, the toxic overload soon follows.
Thats the post of the year. Couldn't agree more!
FWIW You only need to put about a dozen people on ignore and these forums improve immensely, you do get a lot of threads with a handful of replies instead of a hundred, and a lot of replies to empty quote boxes, but its a big time saver.
Very true, though I don’t know of any other official forum for a professional company where moderators also engage in mockery and abuse.
I am mildly shocked that you use me as a negative example in this.
First, you obviously didn't understand what I tried to say, I even told you that your interpretation is not what I meant. It appears like you can't accept that you don't understand something and therefore you are calling me crazy. Well I don't like that at all, but I guess there is nothing I can do to stop you.
What I can do is correcting the picture you are drawing.
Where am I extremely negative about criticism? In every post I made I pointed out that criticism is very much justified. In every post about OA I pointed out that I have nothing against him and that the attacks are stupid. What I didn't do was attacking an imagined bunch of white knights instead, I didn't participate in the mudslinging. That's not because I deny the existence of stupid people on the "positive side", it's because I am against the concept of sides in general. I don't think it helps in bringing people together, it's good if you want to insult each other though.
But I guess as long as I am not for you I am against you? That goes so far that @StuartGT feels the need to correct me about something by repeating what I just said, just with other words. Not because I was wrong, but because I implied that sometimes more than one view is valid.
Stuart of all the people, who was accused to be a white knight and follower of Saint Brebus more than anyone else on this forum...
You are accusing me of doing the very same thing I am actually fighting against. Which, by the way, was what I criticised in the original post that started this particular discussion so I guess we are full circle now and you are me.
So maybe the original poster was right? Not because of toxic positivity but because of people in general?
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It directly contradicts the useless speculation I responded to, in particular this bit:
By all means you do not need to believe FDEV obviously, but that statement at the Livestream is indeed very specific information.
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Yeah, I noticed Obsidian became more aggressive in his presentation lately, and that’s good for him and good for the game. Being a neutral observer, a faithful chronicler as he was, doesn’t provoke change as much as picking a side and promoting their interests. So, him adjusting course and bringing a wave of weighed criticism towards Frontier shows his true agenda, which is, before anything else, for the game to live on and succeed. I’d also like to point out that Obsidian is doing his service to the community with dignity. If anyone does have a problem with him being objective, you’re going to have a problem with this community.
I am not entirely convinced about the impact OA could have on the development of Elite Dangerous. He does have quite the audience and therefore his videos certainly affect the player base. But so far it appears that Frontier always did what they want without listening to anybody. I don't know if that's good or bad.
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I suspect that is likely a bit of a gentle stretch. I do not doubt he may have a personal view about where the game should go (we all do) but his "agenda", as you say, has probably been for a long while now to maximize views and monetization in his videos more than actually playing the game.
Now, those two objectives are not necessarily incompatible but I suspect that to suggest his “true agenda is before anything else" for the betterment of Elite can be a stretch.
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Obsidian's older brother would have been more direct with Frontier...
Obsidiant Ant: "Now, regarding my "tone". My tone has changed because Elite has changed. Very simple, and very straight forward concept. "
Not sure what you mean by change.
All of the base game that you covered previously is still there. Actually its changed for the better since 2015. I looked through the patch notes from 1.00 onwards yesterday, and they have added a large amount of stuff over the years to improve it.
Now people may not like the new Odyssey content. And despair about the botched launch. And I guess all of us on here think their communication is appalling, blowing hot and cold, so you never know where you are with them.
But the game is still there as it was two, three years ago.
"Not sure what you mean by change.
All of the base game that you covered previously is still there. Actually its changed for the better since 2015. I looked through the patch notes from 1.00 onwards yesterday, and they have added a large amount of stuff over the years to improve it.
Now people may not like the new Odyssey content. And despair about the botched launch. And I guess all of us on here think their communication is appalling, blowing hot and cold, so you never know where you are with them.
But the game is still there as it was two, three years ago.
I wonder why some still seem to be having a dig at OA when Arthur specifically said not to do so.
If OA‘s only motivation is getting more clicks, then, as he says himself, he’d be sticking to MSFS which is far more popular.
If OA‘s only motivation is getting more clicks, then, as he says himself, he’d be sticking to MSFS which is far more popular.
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I though his brother was Sim.
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Ok you had me looking into his YT home page video list
here is the result for his videos marked as 4 months or less (I.e. roughly 2022).There is an extreme view outlier video there for the one about a volcano in MSFS where he got 594k views apparently. I have taken the figures with and without the top outliers of each game for comparison. Note in both cases Elite seems to be on top of MSFS for views, especially if we don’t count extreme outliers where Elite would double MSFS views.
OA seems to have done well diversifying but unless I made a counting mistake (which is quite possible) your statement just does not seem to be correct at least in 2022 so far as Elite is a very significant part of the clicks he gets.
Also, I havent subdivided the “other videos” in sub categories but as you can see below I suspect Elite is probably still (at least in 2022 so far) among the top contributor source of views overall for him.
Views in thousands.
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OK, Pol...The term is Pollyanna.
They claim to be "positive", but it's a mistaken belief.
InterestballsOk you had me looking into his YT home page video list
There is an extreme view outlier video there for the one about a volcano in MSFS where he got 594k views apparently. I have taken the figures with and without the top outliers of each game for comparison. Note in both cases Elite seems to be on top of MSFS for views, especially if we don’t count extreme outliers where Elite would double MSFS views.
OA seems to have done well diversifying but your statement just does not seem to be correct at least in 2022 so far as Elite is a very significant part of the clicks he gets.
Views in thousands.
SC seems to be performing best for him. Expect more SC content. SC playerbase will enjoy being soothed by the gentle rolling OA cadence and silky smooth tones. They'll be primed for another 1000, or, perhaps 2000, really, it's unique to every individual player, and individual situation. Where you lie in that spectrum, is entirely up to youu, and Cloud Imperium Games. Butinmostrespects, I think things will tend towards a middle-ground, but where exactly that middle-ground will be, remains to be seen. Thanks for watching, and I'll see you next time.
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