ObsidianAnt: Frontier - What The HECK Is Going On With Elite Dangerous?
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Oh, thank you. I was hoping someone would start another 40+ page thread as this one was starting to wear thin. Maybe we could start a discussion on use of a hammer on parts of our ship interiors. Or a screwdriver. Flat head, of course - none of that "philips head" malarky in my engine room. Flat head to philips head discussion alone should be good for at least 40 pages, right?
Or chocolate eggs compared to the aberration that is white chocolate, especially in these trying times.
White chocolate is an oxymoron
I thought you had expressed the 'essence' of the issue rather well. If a poster is breaking forum rules they will, eventually, be banned.
But, if they are posting comments that another individual finds to be consistently distasteful, yet are not breaking any of the forum rules, putting the poster on ignore removes the unwelcome content from that user's forum. Balance restored.
Some forum members dislike my posts, for whatever reason, yet they control if they see them, or not, so yes, it makes sense for me to suggest ignoring me...
When you asked me if he said 'we are crap' I told you that he said it more eloquently and yet you still insist I would claim he said it literally. Despite the fact that I told you several time that it isn't the case. And you claim that I am the one who can never be mistaken... You don't even believe me when I tell you that you misinterpreted something I said.
Now you've jogged my memory. I think you did use the word, 'literally', in a post to me. It just seemed as irrelevant then as bringing OA into a discussion about the 'worst' post you've ever seen is now, as you're just backsliding on that claim.
Things aren't going to get any clearer, I think.
You honestly don’t know if listening to your customers is good or bad? I think you know the answer, just being too modest to type it. Frontier listens though. As they should, but not nearly enough. Case in hand: When players pointed out the new gen scanning mini-game is a bad idea, FD took down the gen scanning mini-game. That hassle, the lost time and resources could have been entirely avoided, if FD were more open with creation process. You have, literally, thousands of fanatical alpha testers who (some of them) would gladly work 24/7 for free, just to see beloved game flourish. Not using them (us) as a resource on all stages of development is... well, pick the least offensive word yourself.
Rotating back to Obsidian: not utilising 286k subscribers is another case of gross negligence. Enabling Obsidian to question the game’s direction for months, while turning a blind eye and activating outgoing radio silence at the same time? I mean, lol, I hope this is just gross negligence. Because other alternatives are even worse. The point is: it’s FD’s job to utilise communication potential, including news, plans, influencers with 100k+ subscribers for various purposes. And that’s how you know someone responsible is not up to speed: when a top ED influencer is talking to the void for weeks, while the title reads “what the heck are they doing?”. It’s not up to Obsidian, he is, in one interpretation, an outsourced marketer who lived a long time by what FD gave him, only recently he decided to seriously branch out.
I think most companies today do understand the concept of engaging with players on many levels and through many outlets. Still, some geniuses pop up here and there claiming the way of radio silence is better. Their loss.
I am completely lost.
Don't make me unleash the Kraken...
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The thing is, not everyone wants the same thing. I would like to have micro jumps because I think that SC gets tedious sometimes, others don't want it because it would take the size away. Should Frontier listen to me, the others or following their own vision? I picked that example because SC is something Frontier implemented due to feedback from the community and I am still not sure if it's good or bad. Maybe that explains my position?
It is comforting to see how alike we are
@TrollhunterX you need to insert the full image for people to be able to reply, or it goes weird and doesn't do the quote thing - at least it seems weird on mobiles.
Anyway, I wanted to reply to your Vic and Bob:-
Anyway, I wanted to reply to your Vic and Bob:-
To be fair to OA, and other streamers, and I have been critical of them, I can only imagine the pressure they get from x or y community or side trying to push them into this direction or that, I'm sure that adds a lot to the stress of catering to multiple communities who can be at odds with each other. Just getting into some discussions here gives me a glimpse of that and I'm not doing this for money. Though I think it should also serve as a window to what Frontier (and other entities) have to deal with in a much greater capacity with a lot more at stake. It's a matter of balance and some will veer, through pressures of any sort, too far one way for some, not far enough for others.
In general though, I just think that stirring up controversy with click bait titles etc. is symptomatic of a negative perspective which I don't think is a good long-term strategy unless the drama for clicks angle is what you're going for, which I think if it is, one should be more honest about it. In many cases it's also taking the path of least resistance IMO.
As for overall tone, I will defer to words of the mighty Lloyd Mangram....
"We're here to support the industry not destroy its morale"
In general though, I just think that stirring up controversy with click bait titles etc. is symptomatic of a negative perspective which I don't think is a good long-term strategy unless the drama for clicks angle is what you're going for, which I think if it is, one should be more honest about it. In many cases it's also taking the path of least resistance IMO.
As for overall tone, I will defer to words of the mighty Lloyd Mangram....
"We're here to support the industry not destroy its morale"
Well, yes, but not in that particular sentence, hence my confusion, I suppose.
And my overall takeaway is still that the ignore function damages the forum experience of the person using it, to the extent that they may have to ask themselves if they belong on a forum where they need to block people who are following the rules. People complain about noisy neighbours, and bonfires, only to be told by the police that no laws are being broken. They either have to adjust their expectations, or taken matters into their own hands (with varying results).
That same variance is displayed when poster behaviour is discussed here. It's worth noting that moderation cannot be discussed, but we can point to when a rule is enforced, or not enforced, until the cows come home. That's particularly relevant to this topic, when it became about a forum poster, rather than what he had said, pretty early on...
It is like a decade-old rule that has proven to be sensible since the dawn of internet times, chat groups, probably from usenet time or who knows what predeccessor it's from and it's no use trying to open this keg because it is just common practice due to common sense.
And how many times have you seen somebody talk about watching a movie or doing something else while they play Elite. I really wish we did have mini-jumps, or some super-duper-cruise, if only for second stars and all the rest of the 20kls+ situations. I wish supercruise could be more interesting if you wanted it to be. Like, imagine there were, like, tubes in front of you. A series of tubes! Some were fast and some where slow. The fast ones might take you away from your destination, but they let you go faster. So you have to balance the two things. Or maybe you have to fly them yourself and the faster ones are windy or do loop-the-loops and if you stray outside the tube, you lose speed. Or maybe it's like interdiction where it spins and you have to time something and the faster you go, the faster it spins, making it harder. Or rowing! Imagine you hit the supercruise and two little things shoot out and you literally have to row the darn thing somehow.
Anyway. I like being in the ship. I like feeling the ship go. But this whole "muh space" argument is so nonsense to me when we jump lightyears in about 10 seconds. Sure, in jumps, we go from star to star. Limitations. I get it. I just resent it that my only option playing Elite sometimes is Alt+Tab.
At best the middle one is the only one someone might reasonably construe as a personal attack. The first and third are about content.
Take pretty much any game and its youtubers make different-styled videos with different tacks and sometimes the tack is to be critical. When the tack sometimes is to be critical, it gets executed with a bit of critical panache. It's not just OA, it's not just Elite. Also, youtubers have to fight the algorithm and being a bit cheeky with the title is nothing compared to what some people do with outright lies or even photoshopping in the thumbnail.
Like the day my mobile phone recommended "An Elite Dangerous CMDR plays Star Citizen"? That was fun. Maybe my next mobile won't be Android
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