Is ED nearing the end of its lifespan?

Navigare Necesse Est

Navigare Necesse Est
Old Duck said:
What's interesting (and sad) to me is not so much that these players are gone, but that Odyssey failed to bring them back. I'm not just talking about players in your list, but people I know as well. That was one of Odyssey's goals, to bring players back.

I don't know about your friends, but the ones I'm thinking of were heavily invested in this game at one time, so not your typical drive-by players.
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I was considering maybe trying it out. Key point was the feature that players wouldn't need their ships for ODY. That means I wouldn't need to break my back with the engineer grinderia. So then came the announcement that they'd do pre-beta or whatsittheycalledit just a mere weeks before release, indicating their product wasn't anywhere near deliverable product.

So I abstained. Then came the release. And with that I learned that it just had its very own gear grind loop just like Horizons and I lost the rest of my interest. Also planetary terrain feature tiling, performance etc. But the gear grind killed it for good for me. I've seen enough of that for a lifetime.
 

CaptnPicard2305

CaptnPicard2305
Elite is its own worse enemy. Now split between Horizons and Odyssey, and further split by the platform it is played on, even player groups are finding it difficult to retain members.

Unfortunately, the game is becoming a much too lonely experience.
 

Old Duck

Old Duck
CaptnPicard2305 said:
Unfortunately, the game is becoming a much too lonely experience.
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That's my biggest complaint, though for me the solution is simply to bring back fun CGs (for combat pilots, not just truckers). I don't need 100 people to play with, just three allies in a wing and perhaps a couple of gankers to make thing interesting.
 

Demonlord79

Demonlord79
Einar Donarsson said:
Not a doom thread by any means, more like a serious question.

Many Bugs, some that have existed for Years, some even Game breaking, are not adressed, do not get fixed or get failed fix attempts never to be mentioned again, cost to much ressources to fix.

Console is canceled, many, MANY cosmetics are still broken after a year. Lighting is still broken. Heck not even the normal combat Music in space works correctly after almost a year.
No new Ships, no playable (or rather somewhat playable) Story like with the Guardians or the Goids. The Performance is still down the toilet.


Is Frontier not willing to put enough money into Elite to get it into a good state anymore? Is the Code just to broken to be fixed?
What are your genuine opinions on this matter?

Have a good day :)
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I did fall down this question hole too and was pretty much crucified for doing it. Personally this is something I'd never do mainly because it's just down right toxic, rude, and childlike as most will see it but here's a solid to what I know if it helps you.

1...................THERE IS NEVER A STUPID QUESTION...............to hell with what forum rats say.

2. As Odyssey has broken quite a few aspects of the entire game (as even Horizons) I truly believe Frontier will still get to them in time, but only if tickets are placed to inform them as to evaluate. As such this is (IMO) the major problem as players are not using the ticket system so Frontier Developers have no idea what part of the trillions of coding to fix. Forum Moderators will not help with bugs or fixes either, as I have found out the hard way as even so much as questioning them I got myself in trouble with them.

3. Consoles are a VERY sensitive subject thus I believe that Consoles will "NEVER" compete with PC's. They have no business even trying to compete as they are what was holding Frontier back. You just can't take a $400 Console and expect to compete with a $2,000 gaming machine. Elite Dangerous was developed for a PC not a Console, it's just as simple as that. (Sorry console players I don't mean to offend any of you). So now that consoles are out of the picture Frontier can concentrate its resources on optimizing one aspect instead of two as they have had to set the bar lower for Consoles due to it was just much and not cost effective for their teams to do this on multiple machines.

4. As (IMO) they are free to use all resources on just one engine now so they can now continue to push forward with a bit more ease. As I have built a Hyper-Computer that runs Odyssey fairly better appose to the complete failure they made with Odysseys release which I'd rather not get into.

5. I to am hoping for some new content with Guardians and Thargoids. Now despite popular belief Frontier has lost a lot of its player base due to Frontiers intro with its pre-mature release of Odyssey as well as supporters and stocks, but they are back on a slow rise despise the terribly reviews, that are recovering so I truly (cross my fingers) don't see Elite die. Now there has been quite a bit of talk Frontier getting bought out or merged with several larger companies such as Microsoft, just to mention one of several, but this is speculation as I believe as it has been on the table of the last 2 years.
Frontier Development is not a very big company in the entertainment field.

Again for what I believe Elite nor Frontier are going anywhere soon (crossing my fingers again) as from day one of its vanilla release this is the only title I've played since. It has had its up and downs. Now as I said I have built a Hyper-Computer and I still see optimization issues but they have been working with two engines as now just one.

I hope this helps out for you as there are a few issues that are not carved in stone.
Hope to see you in the black...o7
 

glynie

glynie
Viajero said:
Fully understand. And that was precisely my point. The issue comes when the statement at a personal and anecdotal level is used as an attempt to generalize to the game as a whole.
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What was I doing that was an issue? Sure, the absence of former players may not be an indication of discontent with the game, nor is my friends list necessarily an accurate representation of the player-base at large, but I think I'm being quite objective when I say it's unacceptable to sell a game on a bunch of promises and then fail to deliver them, which is what happened. If I knew for instance, that I'd never be able to land on Earth back in 2014 - I would not have purchased the game.
 

Demonlord79

Demonlord79
Old Duck said:
My gaming PC didn't cost $2000... Are you saying that Odyssey is only for oligarchs?
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No, please I'm sorry if I offend you but there is quite a bit of a difference between the two as Consoles were just built to run different types of software as Consoles are a rising commodity these days. They just were not designed to compete with PC machines.
Now I might have exaggerated the price of a general PC's value as I build gaming computers for the same and lower prices that work just as well.

I did build a Hyper-PC which you are right, a platform like mine vas built not only for gaming but multi-tasking all sorts of office and sound production software, very over kill for a gaming platform. $5,200 but it took me 12 years to save enough money and an arm and a leg to build this beast. Not compassioning to other PC's, sorry, that was my bad.

I didn't mean to offend anyone with my post....:)
o7
 

robbyp

robbyp
People come and go from games, most have a natural timespan after which your attention moves onto the next game.

$2000 is not much for a PC nowadays, considering the cost of a decent graphics card.
 

babelfisch

babelfisch
Rainbro said:
They still have their reasons, even if you don't think they're "needed".
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I think it's absolutely relevant if people leave after 1000s of hours. I guess they can give very detailed feedback. It's just not a case of 'look how bad the game is'.
 
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Demonlord79

Demonlord79
Viajero said:
How is people moving on after playing a game for many hours an issue? Most games have its fare share of players moving on regularly. Especially if you have played a game for hundreds, never mind thousands, of hours you do not really need any kind of justification if you want to stop.

Players come on go. Some leave indefinitely, others return after some time or to check something new, and then you also have altogether new players joining. In any game, not just Elite.
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This is a very good point. I've been here from the beginning, around 8,400 hours and the only title I still play. All of my friends have moved on but sometimes they check in every now and then. I love this title, obviously, but I'm just a casual player and that being said there really isn't any other titles out there as Elite is kind of its own genre in a unique way. Even coming up on a decade I still find things to do as well as learn new things.
I think or would like to think that the title will be here some time further because it is its own little unique genre.

I run Open and I really only come across new players, so it seems I suppose.

A lot of them have gone to Star Citizen but this I can't understand as Elite has DESTROYED Star Citizen as after the same amount of time it's still in EA versus Elite which has been fully solid even with Odysseys terrible release. No Man Sky is the only real competition but you really can't compare the two due to they aren't truly the same type looking at the big picture, in my opinion anyway.

So hopefully Elite is here to stay.
 

CaptnPicard2305

CaptnPicard2305
The better the PC the better Odyssey should run in theory. But that is not always the case. I have an i7 6600k CPU and Nvidia 1080Ti GPU, plus I only play in VR (HTC Vive). That spec is 5 years old now but I am quite happy with how Odyssey is running at the moment. My main interest is Exploration.
 

Jonkarra

J
Einar Donarsson said:
Not a doom thread by any means, more like a serious question.

Many Bugs, some that have existed for Years, some even Game breaking, are not adressed, do not get fixed or get failed fix attempts never to be mentioned again, cost to much ressources to fix.

Console is canceled, many, MANY cosmetics are still broken after a year. Lighting is still broken. Heck not even the normal combat Music in space works correctly after almost a year.
No new Ships, no playable (or rather somewhat playable) Story like with the Guardians or the Goids. The Performance is still down the toilet.


Is Frontier not willing to put enough money into Elite to get it into a good state anymore? Is the Code just to broken to be fixed?
What are your genuine opinions on this matter?

Have a good day :)
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They are still actively selling Odyssey and base ED game on EPIC and Steam. That means they have no plans to turn the game off anytime soon. They'll at the very least continue to keep the game running, probably keep events running, stuff going into the ARX store, continue the story line and fix bugs. Will there be another paid expansion or expansions? I don't know someone at Fdev will crunch the numbers to decide. I dont think ED is the end of the elite franchise though.
 

Darth Ender

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Jonkarra said:
They are still actively selling Odyssey and base ED game on EPIC and Steam. That means they have no plans to turn the game off anytime soon. They'll at the very least continue to keep the game running, probably keep events running, stuff going into the ARX store, continue the story line and fix bugs. Will there be another paid expansion or expansions? I don't know someone at Fdev will crunch the numbers to decide. I dont think ED is the end of the elite franchise though.
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I think it will be limited to content that doesn't require real programming developer work ...just game designer (working off the engine as it is) and content creators (artwork, stories, missions).

We'll have walking thargoids (almost definitely what the cm's and such were "excited about") and then just a long term period of narrative, CG's and such activities. Which will keep the lights on until the game is entirely replaced by something new that comes out.
 

Jonkarra

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Navigare Necesse Est said:
You may think so but I wouldn't believe they wouldn't shut down the game just because someone bought it just a week ago. Simply pulling it from the store is something I doubt would ever happen.
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They'd be in legal trouble all over the world if they did that. Nothing stopping them saying they are pulling the title and will leave it running for a year or 2 on extended support but to sell someone a game one week and turn it off the next they'd have law suits all over the world. It would also trash the companies reputation all over the world. I'm not saying frontier will do any additional serious developement of elite but they wont just stop selling it and turn the game off a week later.
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Viajero said:
I actually am impressed this issue is still debated though 😋. There is no need to guess.

Let’s hear it from the man himself: https://forums-new.frontier.co.uk/t...ummary-5th-june-2014.20371/page-2#post-455851

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This means around a year or year and a half to deliver the very first Elite Alpha, the one released around Christmas 2013 and which only had some combat scenarios in single player to test flight model and weapons/cockpit systems in a Sidewinder; not even multiplayer, no stations, no jumping... Seems quite reasonable to me 🤷‍♂️
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Development on Elite Dangerous only really started 2 years ago though! ;)
 
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