He meant from the people you bought the game for but now won’t play it with you.
what else are they making harder for new players? How many hours it is taking now?
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Back when I started due to hardware incompatibilities Horizons wasn’t an option even after it became one it was months before I tried engineering, back in the days when it was a gamble and before the extra engineers in Colonia were in the game.
The 5,000ly trip will have been around 120 jumps in what I used back then which ignoring time spent scanning systems etc would be about 2 hours which with the scans and looking at the scenery was spread over a week and a half, the ‘fetch’ quests were straightforward. Nowadays this trip is, as you have been told but ignored several times, avoidable now thanks to other people’s Fleet Carriers and the Colonia engineers.
The game, discounting Odyssey, is about flying starships and doing things with them. The hurdles that stop some people continuing with the game are the realisation that they are going to have to learn how to do things and that no matter how long and hard they play there isn’t going to be a fanfare and a message saying they have won.
Fish don’t rise to the bait in a vacuum, to compensate we have the forums where bait works only to well.
You could try this approach, would make the conversation more pleasant to yourself too. 
coming into game pre mining nerf, i thinkl out of that i made 150 million, now i just get so bored with the lack of triple spots i don;t touch mining anymore. i more of a murder hobo now.or ody missions power restore/shut down or data missions,.
Lol, this topic really is a faux-adult version of "none of my friends want to play football with me even after I bought us matching shirts, football is stupid!".
Herre gud... 
What it essentially boils down to is the modern gaming mentality of wanting everything 'NOW' for little or no effort.
Anyone who thinks Elite is hard or overly grindy never experienced games where you actually had to work hard to get stuff.
Every MMO or similar has some sort of grind for reward, even the most popular stuff like GW2/ESO etc.
If you logged in for the first time, walked out into your shiny new fleet carrier (that came as a collectors edition) and climbed into your fully engineered Imperial Cutter, folks would be on here bashing Fdev cos they had nowt to do.
Take most modern youtubers/streamers and stick them back in Everquest when it first started, all would rage quit within a month.
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Anyone who thinks Elite is hard or overly grindy never experienced games where you actually had to work hard to get stuff.
Every MMO or similar has some sort of grind for reward, even the most popular stuff like GW2/ESO etc.
If you logged in for the first time, walked out into your shiny new fleet carrier (that came as a collectors edition) and climbed into your fully engineered Imperial Cutter, folks would be on here bashing Fdev cos they had nowt to do.
Take most modern youtubers/streamers and stick them back in Everquest when it first started, all would rage quit within a month.
O7
This game has been in full Monty Haul Campaign mode for years, credit reward inflation continues to accelerate, ship engineering materials rain from the sky if people actively look for them, and some people continue to complain that they’re not rewarded enough!
It’s people like the opening post that are responsible for mission rewards worth the price of a new ship that can be done for two 100 credit taxi rides! All I wanted from this game was to play a struggling Commander who needed to make interesting decisions to get ahead in a harsh world. Instead, I’m playing a wealthy dilettante whose most interesting decision is how to alleviate her ennui!
It’s people like the opening post that are responsible for mission rewards worth the price of a new ship that can be done for two 100 credit taxi rides! All I wanted from this game was to play a struggling Commander who needed to make interesting decisions to get ahead in a harsh world. Instead, I’m playing a wealthy dilettante whose most interesting decision is how to alleviate her ennui!
I am certainly glad that I don't play this game by following youtube / twitch streamers, it doesn't appear to have hampered my enjoyment in the least!
So, @Rockets , what do you wish to do in the game? You have certainly made a lot of comments on what the game isn't, and how you find it lacking, share your own aspirations.
I'm OK, though, I just do stuff that amuses me. Yesterday I flew around 5,000LY from Colonia to EOCH FLYI AA-A G167 to check out some strange behaviour anothe rplayer had observed with a tenuous atmosphere body. It was a great trip! I'll now bring one of my FCs (I have 3 active accounts, each has a FC) over to the system to repair my ship, and to act as a base for looking around a little.
Then back to the bubble at the end of the week to play at war in one of the 'Old World' systems.
So, @Rockets , what do you wish to do in the game? You have certainly made a lot of comments on what the game isn't, and how you find it lacking, share your own aspirations.
I'm OK, though, I just do stuff that amuses me. Yesterday I flew around 5,000LY from Colonia to EOCH FLYI AA-A G167 to check out some strange behaviour anothe rplayer had observed with a tenuous atmosphere body. It was a great trip! I'll now bring one of my FCs (I have 3 active accounts, each has a FC) over to the system to repair my ship, and to act as a base for looking around a little.
Then back to the bubble at the end of the week to play at war in one of the 'Old World' systems.
Ain't that the truth!
I'm still not playing with you.
wait a mo....you not playing with anyone.
Uh huh. I have a ton of games free from the Epic store. I've installed two and played one (a bit). These are games with good reviews, Civilisation, Control, Rage, Among Us, Metro 2033, Mudrunner, Prey, Surviving Mars and more. Nothing wrong with the games (I assume), but because they were free I guess I'm not prioritising them.
You sir, are playing the role of the Epic store in your friends lives ...
I generally let my friends make up their own minds about what games they want to play, funnily enough some of them play games I would find singularly....unappealing, why they would buy games for me would be a puzzle unless of course I expressed interest in it and they could get it cheap through some sort of deal. I would then of course pay them back, even if I decided not to play the game after all.
Can your football can come play with me?
The best experience I had in Elite for that kind of thing was during Alpha 4, when Frontier introduced their economic sim. Ships had operational costs, commodity supplies were much slower to recover unless their production demands were met, and a good mix of commodities could net you an average of 700 credits/ton, compared to the 1000 credits/ton for gold, which only produced at a single station at a rate of a few dozen canisters/hour.
Sadly for those of us who enjoy being virtual business owners, a player discovered a literal gold duplication bug. When they were online, they would shower T9s worth of canisters of gold upon any woo would meet him behind Azaban City. It was that crowd who persuaded Frontier to take a chain saw to their economic sim to increase credit rewards.
And those increases have been accelerating ever since, while prices, for the most part, have remained stagnant. That's why on-foot equipment costs more than the price a small ship, while they cost a thousand/ton if bought as a commodity.
If I could go back in time, and do one thing for this game, it would be to give Frontier this message:
"The problem isn’t income. Your testing environment is tiny, which puts artificial pressure on the markets to reach equilibrium. When it comes to luxuries, supplies have been depleted, demand has been satuated, and production prerequisites aren't being provided. That is why the luxury market has crashed. And this is a good thing. Markets should crash in such an environment.
"Once players have access to a few hundred markets, let thousands, carefully managed trade routes will see profits that will far exceed the current 'gold standard.' If you’re concerned about the pace of advancement, consider reworking ship and module prices. Currently, prices increases exponentially, while capabilities increase mostly linearly. A ship that can carry twice the cargo, or is twice as potent in combat, cost ten to twenty times their smaller variants, with fuel and repair costs increasing proportionally.
"It is this combination: markets quickly reaching equilibrium due to a very small pool, and increases expenses far outpacing increasing capabilities, that's causing larger ships to lose money trading in many cases. You've done a great job balancing the income and expenses for small ships. Rebalance the price of larger ships and their components to match."
My kids play Genshen.
Son was explaining. You have to play on Monday because only on Monday you can get X. You have to play on Tuesday because on Tuesday you can only get Y. Etc. To get the next something he has to kill the same boss 5 times. Etc.
Didn't read all 7 pages. Would it be correct to assume it's one guy who is claiming he is right while everyone else says he isn't? It would be the first time the majority of the forum population is in agreement about something.
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