They do a bit of this already for bounties claimed and bounties incurred across modes already and it's helpful and works fine. Why is a bit extra worse (assuming it's not more top 10s and detailed action logs).
Expose more info about solo/pg player actions in station info
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And the BGS player is provided with movement in influence, economy and security for each faction present in the system too, every day, following the tick, suffiecient information to plan a strategy from, even if no indication of 'who' is active.
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What Rubbernuke said. But actually, ideally the system would filter out the chaff and focus on the more dedicated efforts - persistent or high volume participants in a given system/for a given faction. Find out who the "agents" are, forget about the random freelancers. It implies a sort of "status", which is kind of fun.
Its about giving players the information they need to make more informed choices. In multi mode BGS terms that knowing ahead of time which places are 'hot', or lost causes- things today you can only guess at retrospectively after the event has happened. Its like baking a cake backwards and trying to understand why it failed when knowing what went in would have changed the outcome.
It has more gameplay possibilities too- just as I said above for avoiding scans gov types like anarchy and compromised navs could also play a part and be blackspots, so everything feeds into the game.
Don't give them ideas, the next one will be a scanner that tells you what missions a particular ship is carrying around so they can decide whether to attack or defend it! (actually I think I've heard that request before in one form or another)
Well, my question was trying to understand what this suggestion is really about.
Is it an idea to provide more info about what people are doing with the BGS?
Or is it basically another "Waaaaaaaa! PG and solo people are doing stuff and we can't do anything about it"?
Even if the game was open only, you'd never have the full picture. Even if there was no instancing, no timezones, you'd never have the full picture, because you don't know what people are doing most of the time, even if you're sat there watching 24 hours a day ships going back and forth in a system.
So, either all data should be presented from everyone to all, or its just another "Waaaaaaa, PG/solo" thing.
It's a useless suggestion by someone who doesn't understand how the whole thing works.
If it means we would get even more threads about cowardly solo commanders hiding from the brave and noble warriors of open, I'm all for it. I like laughing at ridiculous, salty people who spend their time getting up in other people's business.
You can use the past 24h bounty information to react to an attack in less busy systems or find opportunities to for attack BGS before the tick happens (which takes hours to propagate the information anyway, but that's a different issue). In terms of effort bounties seem to outweight anything else anyway so the effect of publishing other, uncertain mission/support data is a lot less effective.
Yes, it's a bit of both in hopes of tying both things together for a better solution to both things and as such it's not something I'd want people to engage with on such reductive terms or just dismiss without any deeper thought because they can't stand one part of it.
Robert Maynard
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The consequences for the gankers are, very likely, less onerous than those on the targets - as the targets often have something in their ship to lose whereas the gankers' ships are likely to contain nothing of value.
Ganking exists because players are free to shoot at anything they instance with - the latter is very, very unlikely to change so neither is the former.
For good or ill we all experience and affect the single galaxy state - those who don't enjoy sharing it with those that they can't shoot at don't have any say in which game mode any player plays in though.
Robert Maynard
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Very little information in the game tells players who is doing what, limited to very specific situations - I doubt that that would change. Same with the daily nature of the tick - I'd not expect it to happen more often just to provide more information.
Which would work both ways, i.e. the reaction of players to the actions of others would also be exposed allowing for better strategic choices.
This is amusing since you argue for multi mode but argue against more information across modes that would make the game more equal for everyone.
Its more about who is where, numbers, affiliation etc plus exposing what they carry what they did during their time in the system (such as landing on what body, station etc)- so an extention of things that NPCs and players can scan for during play. Powerplay does this well enough but having better traffic info and having the two systems unified would be fantastic, at least IMO.
It would- and then things become more pro-active based on better information and less guesswork. Its like - OK I lost day 2 of the war, should I continue? Who (and how many) are in system? Right now its a case of mindlessly grinding in ignorance and hoping you do more next time. Even closing loopholes via Apex or FCs would be useful.
There is no "gentle nudge toward OPEN". There are three game modes, get over it.
Well, i'd drop the open only angle and present it as a request for more in-game information for all.
The idea is still flawed, as the information as requested is pretty useless except as a general indication of volume/effort, not of actual impact, but at least it would lose the open/solo debate angle which just drags the entire suggestion down into the mud.
You have a source for that claim? Last I heard Open was significantly the more popular mode.
It would change how may players would play.
a) Driving players into Solo mode.
b) Getting very familiar with the Ignore feature.
c) Getting familiar with reporting other players.
d) Can't be bothered, leave the game entirely.
You might have nice pretty thoughts on how you would use detailed cmdr tracking data. There are others that would use it for player harassment. It would only take a few unsolicited messages and weirdos hunting others cause they didn't like the colour of a player's ship. Or "trespassed in their system" to drive normal well adjusted players away from ED.
You might want to actually read what I suggested, and not what you think I said because my position is not the same as the OPs suggestion.
How, being a multi mode idea from my perspective (where, in none of my posts do I suggest this is for solo or PG only) is this driving more people into solo, when its about exposing movements regardless of mode based on if you are scanned in game, be it either NPC, base or player, making less of the players movements within the BGS unknown?
Please do explain how this requires the ignore or report feature, or drives people from the game?
This is exactly what you said. Which is a deviation from what the OP said.
A downloadable detailed log on other player's activity? Yes, that would bring out the weirdo's that want to harass others for "trespassing in their territory" etc. Its an awful idea.