If I wreck the Dionysus, CMDR Facebreaker is going to be very cross with me.
Player Community Goal: Deliver commodities to help analyse and attempt to jam the Proteus Wave
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Help me out here then, are you for or against the little guy getting crushed? Because when it comes to goids, we are the little guy in this scenario.
We are the little guy that has been poking the big guy with a stick, continuously, even after we were warned - with targeted strikes - to stop.
I have no sympathy for those provoking the bear, and then complaining when they get mauled.
Not speaking in character, but I really really enjoy that there's a player-driven group trying to make waves against Salvation just for the sake of doing it.
Also fascinating that the reaction to folks roleplaying out "we oppose a genocidal mad scientist who has people killed to further his goals and sabotage his competitors" gets the reaction of "we oppose you because we want the mad scientist to provoke a monster that kills the entirety of stable human civilization, because video game and we're bored and want exciting mayhem that makes us feel like the protagonist in the video game".
Just in general watching how the community is reacting to the end of the Azimuth saga is fascinating. And I do hope that whatever happens when Salvation hits his big red doomsday button is sufficient to cause everyone on all sides to utter a resounding "wait... what?"
Also fascinating that the reaction to folks roleplaying out "we oppose a genocidal mad scientist who has people killed to further his goals and sabotage his competitors" gets the reaction of "we oppose you because we want the mad scientist to provoke a monster that kills the entirety of stable human civilization, because video game and we're bored and want exciting mayhem that makes us feel like the protagonist in the video game".
Just in general watching how the community is reacting to the end of the Azimuth saga is fascinating. And I do hope that whatever happens when Salvation hits his big red doomsday button is sufficient to cause everyone on all sides to utter a resounding "wait... what?"
A warning is just that, a warning. A targeted strike is something else. I believe the word is "attack". The goids showed up and attacked us, not warned us.
They warned us initially by giving us chances to drop their things. In fact, if you carry their things, they still politely ask you to drop it. And if not, they attack.
My organisation has never engaged the Thargoids, and we have never been targeted by any of their incursions. It's a simple element of logic to determine why.
This is Dante Bishop, commander and captain of the HMS Insomnia, you've got my support
If you had ever engaged with the thargoids you would know better. Drop into a threat level 3 or 4 NHSS and tell me again how polite they are. And that's without even anything in your hold. Or drop into any of the higher threat levels and see what happens when you try collect an occupied escape pod.
Ah, you're referring to Scouts. They are only deployed to areas which are either being attacked - as they've been provoked enough to do so - or areas which the Thargoids consider their territory, where they do not want us and have made that abundantly clear.
As a leader of one of the Factions that have made carriers available to this operation, I will say this. A typical situation that happens many times every day: A Thargoid and a human meet in the vastness of space.
Thargoid: scans, then turns away and goes about his own business.
Human: opens fire.
Which of these beings would you say behaves more civilised, which is the Barbarian?
We have a deeply rooted disdain for the typical mindless human attitude which, when encountering something unknown, has no other pattern of behaviour ready than shooting it.
Thargoid: scans, then turns away and goes about his own business.
Human: opens fire.
Which of these beings would you say behaves more civilised, which is the Barbarian?
We have a deeply rooted disdain for the typical mindless human attitude which, when encountering something unknown, has no other pattern of behaviour ready than shooting it.
So much this.
How often in human history we have heard somebody touting: "We are better than them - so we have any right to kill/mistreat/subjugate them!"
When will humans ever learn to not listen to the facists, whatever their sick ideology may be... sigh
And always, the facists have at the very least the hidden agenda to get into, or stay in a position of power. Salvation is no different.
You neglect to mention that the "business" the thargoid is going back to is almost always sifting through the remains of a number of human ships they just destroyed.
So to summarize your position, we are the little guys and should accept that anytime we encounter a thargoid we deserve whatever aggression they display. Got it.
If the human ships did not provoke them, they would not be destroyed.
We are the little guys, and we should stop provoking the bear if we do not want to be aggressed by it.
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This is where you are incredibly wrong.
There is not a single instance in the game where the Thargoids have ever attacked first.
Every. Single. Event.
Can be traced back to something a human did to them first. The scouts are locked in their behavior because Jameson killed their Queen 150 years ago. Because Thargoids have a hive mind that is locked to the genetic code of a Queen, If they were fighting, and the queen was killed, now there is no longer any way to tell them to stop. The new Queen we are dealing with runs Interceptors, a newer design. They only assist their own race when they see them in combat, which is why when you have an interceptor alone, they are not aggressive, but will come to their brethren's aid when they drop out of hyperspace.
It does not matter if the dog attacked the snake or the snake is defending itself, most dog owners will try to kill the snake, and many of our ships are named after snakes.
Everything started with the stuff the Adamastor found and stole, and it has been snowballing since.
Every single attacked station has an AEGIS early warning beacon orbiting 1000 km from it, because that is where their labs were, the Thargoids were being attracted to the labs of stolen Thargoid stuff.
Every capital ship destroyed was advertised in Galnet prior about being a convoy carrying Thargoid stuff.
Frontier gave us the first 9 months of 2017 where they did not even allow us to damage their ships. Nowhere during that time did their ships attack any players either, everything was Galnet stories where they advertised them taking Thargoid stuff.
Every single attacked ground site are stories of a human/thargoid interaction, told from the human point of view. When you go back and look at it from their point of view, Humans did something to them in every encounter first.
There is not a single instance in the game where the Thargoids have ever attacked first.
Every. Single. Event.
Can be traced back to something a human did to them first. The scouts are locked in their behavior because Jameson killed their Queen 150 years ago. Because Thargoids have a hive mind that is locked to the genetic code of a Queen, If they were fighting, and the queen was killed, now there is no longer any way to tell them to stop. The new Queen we are dealing with runs Interceptors, a newer design. They only assist their own race when they see them in combat, which is why when you have an interceptor alone, they are not aggressive, but will come to their brethren's aid when they drop out of hyperspace.
It does not matter if the dog attacked the snake or the snake is defending itself, most dog owners will try to kill the snake, and many of our ships are named after snakes.
Everything started with the stuff the Adamastor found and stole, and it has been snowballing since.
Every single attacked station has an AEGIS early warning beacon orbiting 1000 km from it, because that is where their labs were, the Thargoids were being attracted to the labs of stolen Thargoid stuff.
Every capital ship destroyed was advertised in Galnet prior about being a convoy carrying Thargoid stuff.
Frontier gave us the first 9 months of 2017 where they did not even allow us to damage their ships. Nowhere during that time did their ships attack any players either, everything was Galnet stories where they advertised them taking Thargoid stuff.
Every single attacked ground site are stories of a human/thargoid interaction, told from the human point of view. When you go back and look at it from their point of view, Humans did something to them in every encounter first.
This is actually what I meant, sorry for being unclear. I have edited my post accordingly.
Sorry, took me a bit to write my post out, was not directed at you
Good points, mostly, but even taken at face value there is absolutely no way one can reasonably believe that the thargoid's alleged retributions are commensurate to the wrongs you are describing. If you are caught shoplifting the police should not be permitted to kill you, everyone around you, and then bomb the nearest airport.