of course it is, there will be always somebody who will complain that something else is missing. on top of that in few years when the new games come out there will be people who will compare new titles to elite, present elite is the ideal and demand that everything should be lined up to the current elite beta. and i'll tell them they have weak arguments too.
Is this really it? Is this the whole game? Did I miss something?
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of course it is, there will be always somebody who will complain that something else is missing. on top of that in few years when the new games come out there will be people who will compare new titles to elite, present elite is the ideal and demand that everything should be lined up to the current elite beta. and i'll tell them they have weak arguments too.
MorkFromOrk
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The major injected event are just one aspect. The rest is well-crafted missions.
Remembering back to the original Elite days and the first mission I ever got to take down the super-secret-squirrel Constrictor. This alone has more depth to it than most kill missions we have today. This is the general storyline stuff I am looking for. Not a mission that reappears the following day or even the following hour, something that seems to matter, something that moves you up in the ranks of your chosen allegiance (as just one example).
So I've probably put about 20-30 hours into the game now, and I'm still having trouble...well, I'm having trouble locating the game, to be honest. I'm bored!
Combat = Shoot at NPC shipos that pretty much just fly around in big arcs or charge you head on. Have OP ship or hope the NPCs don't get the last kill. Turn in kill mission (if you have one) and collect NPC bounty money. Repeat. Upgrade ship maybe to blow up things better.
Exploration = Hyperspace a lot. Scan. Sell information to NPC.
Trading = Get mission. Hyperspace. Turn in mission. Repeat. OR use information from the Internet to find out where to buy things, hyperspace, then sell them and repeat. Possibly upgrade ship to carry more.
PVP/Pirate = Blow things up. Get money and/or goods. Sell goods. Repeat.
Mining = Pew asteroid. Sell to NPC. Repeat.
I get that there is great detail in the getting from place to place, the stations, the ships, the docking, and all of that, but that's all just fluff. Where's the actual game? And if we're not testing it now, what kind of condition is the rest of the game going to be in when the game launches in less than a month? Where is this dynamic economy we were told about? How is this a sandbox when it's extremely limited what you can and cannot do by the fact that there's just nothing out there to see or do? How are we even supposed to role play when the galaxy in which we're playing basically does not exist beyond having a few solid objects scattered around with no history behind them? Besides, how would role playing work when you'll never see the same person twice at any gathering place due to the fact that all high population areas are instanced?
I see people saying that this game is supposed to be "freeform" or whatever, but how is it more free than any other game, other than that they give you no real reason to do anything? I can go wherever I want in EVE. I can go wherever I want in WoW once I hit max level. I can go anywhere I want in Archeage once I hit max level. That's what passes as "sandbox" these days? Just the ability to go anywhere and smack anything without any reason to do so? I can wander aimlessly in almost any video game, but even in those games that aren't "sandbox" games, there's usually something interesting to see. Here, it's just a planet I can't interact with, or a space station that looks just like dozens of other space stations. Woot?
I guess TL;DR, where is this game that we've all spent so much money on? Did they really spend all those millions in Kickstarter funds on being extremely detailed on the getting from here to there while forgetting to give us a reason to do so?
Please, tell me I'm missing something here, because otherwise, I don't think I've ever been more disappointed in a game in which I had such high hopes. Are we really only getting a bare-bones space combat and trading simulation, with tons of detailed fluff and no actual substance?And don't give me the "wait until launch to complain" . The game launches in a month, and what's already here is nearly unplayable at times. This is it, and I suspect even the most devoted of fanboys have realized this. We're getting a smoother (hopefully) version of exactly what we're playing, and have been playing for a few months now.
I'm sorry but... did you even understand the game that you were buying into?!? I mean... I don't even...
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Asking what is the meaning of Elite Dangerous is akin to asking what is the meaning of life. You make your own. Frontier provides the setting; we bring the story. It even says so on the box: "Blaze your own trail".
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And again: THIS IS BETA. This is a work in progress. Injecting missions is relatively easy, but getting the network play and instancing issues sorted is complex. Expect attention to be focused there for the time being. Game balancing can be expected to carry on well after final release. That's how it worked for Eve, that's how it works for ED, that's how it will work for Star Citizen.
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MorkFromOrk
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You do realise that people are constantly asking about the meaning of life? Entire religions are built around that question.
You can't stop people asking the question and you can't ignore the fact that people generally would like to see some kind of meaning in their lives.
What? And I can't play anything without constant boozing. I only drink when I'm on the PC
Without "imagination" you won't experiment with all the tools at your disposal or your surroundings. If you truly see that as a, b and c; then perhaps you should do a comparison to the ops original post and how others feel. So, let's do just that, right now.
a) I see this post as a vieled insult to all of us here who do not share his sentiments, and I think it's fair to say that FD will likely feel the same way.
b) This post is dismissive because it doesn't share FD's vision of what's to come or what might be in the pre-release of which we just don't know yet. Assumptions, right?
c) I'd download it to test the next level of what FD feel we should be testing using our imagination to make it or break it and bug report it. This is what we got on the alpha and beta for, wasn't it?
Shok.
It wasn't a train wreck because of the good things which you seem to have mistakenly surmised, it was a train wreck because the game was broken and hard to finish as a result.
ED eventually want you to go into space stations, walk round and meet contacts... well you can do that in X rebirth, it was one of the first fan made mods to remove that to see the contacts without docking, so that went down well. X rebirth implemented this and people hated it, FD want to eventually do this too, despite the market research clearly indicating that it sounds fine but after the 500th wander around the space station it get's tedious as hell.
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Has anybody heard from the "Wizard's First Rule"? (It's from the 'The Sword of Truth' series by Terry Goodkind)
It says that people believe things to be true because they fear they are true or because they hope they are.
Right now, the whole discussion evolves around believing stuff. There is no evidence beside promises that the final game will be more complex. At the same time, there is no reason to think it will not. So people fear and people hope. It is probably just a matter of personality in which group you find yourself. As for me, I am a "hoper".
Anyway, as all the discussion spins around nothing but matter concerning the faith, didn't anybody stumble over what the OP actually mentioned in one of his posts?
One of it was "looking up trading opportunities in the internet" and doing the trading-circles accordingly. THIS bugs me! What is the point in this, by all means? It is like playing a strategy game with reloading after every battle lost and then complaining that the game is too easy.
Yes, OF COURSE traiding is boring if you let others do the exiting parts for you! Trading is not (only) about hauling stuff from one place to another. It is to FIND those places, being exited for the great opportunity, exploit it as long as possible and being sad when a down-trend ruins your nice source of capital. And then you move on to find something else to haul.
Next, he complains that others always get the final shot while bounty hunting. Well, that is the part where strategy kicks in. You have to evaluate the situation. How much amunition is left in your guns? What about your laser temperature? What is the target's position and motion vector when it is close to zero hull? It IS possible to be the hunter with the final shot! And with success (by doing things actively right) comes satisfaction. Of course (and again) I am not surprised if anybody finds the game boring while just mindlessly shooting at a target and hoping that tha last shot will be his.
It says that people believe things to be true because they fear they are true or because they hope they are.
Right now, the whole discussion evolves around believing stuff. There is no evidence beside promises that the final game will be more complex. At the same time, there is no reason to think it will not. So people fear and people hope. It is probably just a matter of personality in which group you find yourself. As for me, I am a "hoper".
Anyway, as all the discussion spins around nothing but matter concerning the faith, didn't anybody stumble over what the OP actually mentioned in one of his posts?
One of it was "looking up trading opportunities in the internet" and doing the trading-circles accordingly. THIS bugs me! What is the point in this, by all means? It is like playing a strategy game with reloading after every battle lost and then complaining that the game is too easy.
Yes, OF COURSE traiding is boring if you let others do the exiting parts for you! Trading is not (only) about hauling stuff from one place to another. It is to FIND those places, being exited for the great opportunity, exploit it as long as possible and being sad when a down-trend ruins your nice source of capital. And then you move on to find something else to haul.
Next, he complains that others always get the final shot while bounty hunting. Well, that is the part where strategy kicks in. You have to evaluate the situation. How much amunition is left in your guns? What about your laser temperature? What is the target's position and motion vector when it is close to zero hull? It IS possible to be the hunter with the final shot! And with success (by doing things actively right) comes satisfaction. Of course (and again) I am not surprised if anybody finds the game boring while just mindlessly shooting at a target and hoping that tha last shot will be his.
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I've always had the impression that stuff like this is coming. Some (mostly procedurally generated?) at launch, some more later with free DLC and maybe some major event with purchaseable DLC. A taster in Gamma may be too much to hope, but you never know...
Good grief how many more of these threads do we have to endure?! I think too many people got carried away with their hopes and imagination. They read all the design idea threads and thought it'll all be crammed into the release.
Well wake up and smell the coffee!
Having all these ideas and concepts from launch is just not feasible given the scope of this game and the amount of testing required. Instead expect a bit more than what we have now with other features added going forwards. This will also keep the game fresh and interesting. Above all have some patience!
Well wake up and smell the coffee!
Having all these ideas and concepts from launch is just not feasible given the scope of this game and the amount of testing required. Instead expect a bit more than what we have now with other features added going forwards. This will also keep the game fresh and interesting. Above all have some patience!
MorkFromOrk
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Quick follow up question for you.
Of the items in Design Discussions that were listed as game content, which if any are valid concerns if on the date of release they are not included? in 9 days this will no longer be Beta so the shotgun you are using will need to be reloaded with something new. Will you be using the new 'This is pre-release cartridges'?
I'm sure most people release the game is not complete, will not be complete on the 22nd and still will not be complete on Dec 16th. However even though the concerns often raised are a bit too doom & gloomish, when will it be deemed acceptable by you to express any concern of completion levels and what gameplay items/mechanisms will be allowed inclusion?
Which game exactly are you using as the model which was fully completed with content and vision as the basis for putting it on a pedestel and then holding FD to the same stringent guidelines. I could name perhaps five immediately that I enjoy to this day but took gigabytes of patches to fix and get right. Yes, gigabytes.
Shok.
What will it take to shut you up already? Is it the 60 bucks or something you're upset about? I'll fkkin' send you the money if that's what it is. It's peanuts. Even if you only enjoyed one single hour of this game, then hated the rest, it's still cheaper than an hour with a prostitute. And here you can't get STD's.
I love all the thing I can do in Elite. Can't say enough about exploration, who doesn't want to see what's out there? Mining is cool, it's involved and takes concentration not just point-shoot-collect ore. Missions are actually cool, the tree ones go by the demand that day for the station and reflects this on the market, and the pirate ones makes it really worth spending hours hunting and pay very well even tho I never seem to make enough money IMO but it will take time with the limiting hours I have to play.
The freedom to go anywhere and do anything in my spaceship is what I love about space games.
The freedom to go anywhere and do anything in my spaceship is what I love about space games.
Yeah not too sure about most of that, on the 22nd we will get a pre-release version of the full initial game it will to all intents and purpose be complete. They will add extra content as time goes by but by the 16th December we will have a release version (complete game) of Elite Dangerous. If at that point FD were to pull the plug we would still have a fully playable game.
at this point OP is correct and I was really upset that they held back content from backers who didn´t "upgrade" they owed me a game or at least a damn launcher since half a year ago.
Glad the newsletters will now stop you scroll over the first paragraph of "please give us more money" to read what is interesting
I would be even more upset if I had spent full price or more, 20 pounds seems about right
In less than 10 days I see if it was a good investment or not
Glad the newsletters will now stop you scroll over the first paragraph of "please give us more money" to read what is interesting
I would be even more upset if I had spent full price or more, 20 pounds seems about right
In less than 10 days I see if it was a good investment or not
i wish people could stop recyling old news and work their brains & enegry on thoughts more productive & constructive. like what do you expect for #newsletter50 tomorrow? but as you know, this is a game forum on the interwebs of a highly anticipated game close to preview release. so i can take solace in that and keep testing beta until its end, that is what i signed up for.
the reviews of the release game in december will be just as positive (positively riveting, glowing) as they have been until now. these writers know what they are doing, they know the next big thing when they see it.
and while we do not know how many copies ED will sell of the back of the initial release we know that ED needs little to break even (given DBs grin when saying i guess he is very close) - other then that FDEV sit on 8mio GBP to keep developing the game.
there is no point in generalising about what "games devs" do because we have followed FDEV since the first day of the kickstarter on ED. we have learned by experience how they go about they business. they work very hard, they play cards very close to their hands and always delivered more then they promised.
why should that change now?
FDEV have excellent cash reserves, they are still hiring people, the development path for ED is clear (DDF plus recent videos) they are showing other titles that they are developing as 3rd party - importantly they do these things from of position of strenght not PANIC!
and that doesn't take into consideration DBs personal agenda and his history.
however you expect this history of success to change because you find the beta client you are play testing hollow and have an urge to tell the devs/forum/world that.
tl:dr
right on commander ^^
ps: #newsletter50 will help, another 24hrs of disdain and you should be resting at peace
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