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They also fired pew-pew lasers like some terrible B grade movie props when thargoids are well known to use cannons (specifically a form of multis). It seemed like whoever made that video was just given some basic footage and told to stitch it together without being very well informed about how thargoids actually behave, with the result being laughably poor.

The thargoids you encounter in the system still behave the same as always.

Which who is to say that the whole thing wasn't a set-up? The whatever his name is that was running that trainwreck had been tampering with Human / Thargoid hybrids for some time. Considering the attacking thargoid vessels during the firing were very few in number, and certainly operated outside of the usual thargoid SOP's, it could have been possible that they were not thargoid in the sense we know. False flag basically. Humans wouldnt know how their systems operate, however I am sure if you fit wings to a dish washer someone will figure out how to fly it, and know how to operate burst lasers. Staged event which can be used as a galactic disaster to garner funding and aid.
 
Which who is to say that the whole thing wasn't a set-up? The whatever his name is that was running that trainwreck had been tampering with Human / Thargoid hybrids for some time. Considering the attacking thargoid vessels during the firing were very few in number, and certainly operated outside of the usual thargoid SOP's, it could have been possible that they were not thargoid in the sense we know. False flag basically. Humans wouldnt know how their systems operate, however I am sure if you fit wings to a dish washer someone will figure out how to fly it, and know how to operate burst lasers. Staged event which can be used as a galactic disaster to garner funding and aid.
So you're proposing he spent most of his considerable personal fortune and planned for over a hundred years, just to prove himself a fraud and fake his death in the hope that "funding and aid" would be provided to a system with no salvageable assets after it gets declared a no-go zone by the Pilot's Federation.

Not really seeing a lot of logical thought there.
 
So you're proposing he spent most of his considerable personal fortune and planned for over a hundred years, just to prove himself a fraud and fake his death in the hope that "funding and aid" would be provided to a system with no salvageable assets after it gets declared a no-go zone by the Pilot's Federation.

Not really seeing a lot of logical thought there.

Not just funding and aid. Never let a good crisis go to waste. Throw humanity in a state of chaos, we can already see the only overly hostile thargoids are in that one system. All the rest are doing their normal day to day scan and leave unless you have something they dont like, or you are hostile towards them. If the thargoids unleashed a space nuke on humanity, it wouldnt just be one system that is hostile while the rest pretend nothing happened. Are we to conclude the thargoids have no clue what happened in that one system, outside of the ones who are there?

Plus, just like with the last two trainwrecks, we can see commanders chose to help him over the opposition in the community goals, humans are a creature of habit. So long as we have the biggest stick we are happy, we have been like that since the dawn of man. Once someone or something else has the bigger stick, we want to upgrade to ensure ours is biggest again. Humanity aided someone who we thought was giving us the bigger stick, and instead we managed to get the stem of a leaf through all of that effort unbeknownst to us. He gave us a crisis. Every crisis in human history, the masses flock towards one person or one group who claim to have the answers, who claim to have the ability to fix it and be the protector and savior. With that comes power, with power comes control and the ability to do things one couldnt in the past. It is far fetched, but cant be overruled just yet. This guy had all 3 major powers fighting for him in that system. He unified 3 different powers.... who throughout history have, in one way or another, been at odds with each other. Power my friend, power.
 
Would it be worth following the star pattern at the end of the cutscene seems like they wanted us to with the breif zoom in after the vessels left towards them and the new noise

The nebula bottom right for instance from this system if you go towards Orion Dark Region is the only one i can match the shape and color variation to
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hey also fired pew-pew lasers like some terrible B grade movie props when thargoids are well known to use cannons (specifically a form of multis). It seemed like whoever made that video was just given some basic footage and told to stitch it together without being very well informed about how thargoids actually behave, with the result being laughably poor.
Based on your observation I think they were given a specific amount of time for the length of this video and the bright green scanning beam or electric shock would have taken too long. Pew pew was, obviously, faster.
Would it be worth following the star pattern at the end of the cutscene seems like they wanted us to with the breif zoom in after the vessels left towards them and the new noise

The nebula bottom right for instance from this system if you go towards Orion Dark Region is the only one i can match the shape and color variation to
I don't want to start conspiracy theories here so I hope someone else can verify this, but I had understood that the mysterious race known only as THE DEVELOPERS had the ability to alter the star field for this video so we would NOT be able to determine any hints as to where that roar at the end of the video was originating from (that's how we found out where the Guardians were before we were given hints in game).
 
Based on your observation I think they were given a specific amount of time for the length of this video and the bright green scanning beam or electric shock would have taken too long. Pew pew was, obviously, faster.

I don't want to start conspiracy theories here so I hope someone else can verify this, but I had understood that the mysterious race known only as THE DEVELOPERS had the ability to alter the star field for this video so we would NOT be able to determine any hints as to where that roar at the end of the video was originating from (that's how we found out where the Guardians were before we were given hints in game).
They have the ability yes however that doesn't mean they have, the addition of a dark region with brightened highlighted stars does stand out though and worth an investigation, they did say we should look in some places previously looked at for this update from what iv heard so we already have a hint in place
 
They have the ability yes however that doesn't mean they have, the addition of a dark region with brightened highlighted stars does stand out though and worth an investigation, they did say we should look in some places previously looked at for this update from what iv heard so we already have a hint in place
I understand where you're coming from. I had just heard somewhere that FD did this because they got burned by the uber-geeks over the hidden location of the guardian sites.

Again, if someone can confirm or deny, that would help.
 
Based on your observation I think they were given a specific amount of time for the length of this video and the bright green scanning beam or electric shock would have taken too long. Pew pew was, obviously, faster.
They didn't have to use either of those. They could have just had the interceptor fire its plain old cannon, without even modifying the game engine or doing any post-editing. It would have had much more impact for people who know what it's like to be face-to-face with aggroed thargoids - the sound of their cannon is very distinctive.

Instead we got sloppily overlaid lasers (that somehow ending up looking like they'd been chromakeyed) with some stock sound effects. It looks so cheesy that you expect to see dangling strings attached to the thargoid models to hold them in place.

Frontier does know how to make great videos, because they've done it in the past:
By comparison the Azimuth saga finale looks like a fan-made video.
 
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Just a random point... i notice there seems to be more focus right now on the fact Goids are scooping people. Maybe there's something to be paid attendion to in that...
 
Just a random point... i notice there seems to be more focus right now on the fact Goids are scooping people. Maybe there's something to be paid attendion to in that...
I really hope we don't get Human/Thargoid Hybrid Zombies or some such...I think that would be really disappointing...though really well done gameplay and dificulty would be helpful, but probably not save it...

...or did you mean soylent green?

<...hmm...🤔...Is it like Doggy treats to them...>
 
I really hope we don't get Human/Thargoid Hybrid Zombies or some such...I think that would be really disappointing...though really well done gameplay and dificulty would be helpful, but probably not save it...

...or did you mean soylent green?

<...hmm...🤔...Is it like Doggy treats to them...>
Honestly, i don't know.

I cover this in my post about reactions, but we've got
  • they react positively(?) to meta alloys, and won't fight for posession, and will scoop and call friends to scoop
  • they react negatively to thargoid cargo, and will fight for posession, and will scoop and call friends to scoop.
  • they react with hostility to guardian cargo (including grelic), will fight you for posession, and will destroy them on sight (except grelics, unconfirmed).

But humanoids[1]?
- they don't react at all... will scoop, but don't call in friends to scoop.

So it's a convenience thing. They're not deliberately seeking out humanoids, so they're not needed, but they do pick them up where they can... it's odd.

[1] humanoids aren't limited to escape pods... can include hostages, slaves, political prisoners.
 
Honestly, i don't know.

I cover this in my post about reactions, but we've got
  • they react positively(?) to meta alloys, and won't fight for posession, and will scoop and call friends to scoop
  • they react negatively to thargoid cargo, and will fight for posession, and will scoop and call friends to scoop.
  • they react with hostility to guardian cargo (including grelic), will fight you for posession, and will destroy them on sight (except grelics, unconfirmed).

But humanoids[1]?
- they don't react at all... will scoop, but don't call in friends to scoop.

So it's a convenience thing. They're not deliberately seeking out humanoids, so they're not needed, but they do pick them up where they can... it's odd.

[1] humanoids aren't limited to escape pods... can include hostages, slaves, political prisoners.
IIRC one of the logs from one of the ships, the NPC mentioned the Thargs picking up "people", not "escape pods". Not sure if the difference is significant.
 
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IIRC one of the logs from one of the ships, the NPC mentioned the Thags picking up "people", not "escape pods". Not sure if the difference is significant.
I'm not sure it's significant, in that we've seen Thargoids scooping escape pods and canisters with people in them (though i should reconfirm the latter).

I still have a couple experiments to try... will see where we end up.
 
I’ve just come across a non human signal on a planet in the bubble.

It looked like a crashed thargoid sensor where you could collect sensor fragments.

The system was LHS 2983 planet 2.
-57.2362
57.7805

The planet is in Mahon territory, is this new or been happening for a while?
 
The planet is in Mahon territory, is this new or been happening for a while?
nope - nothing new. since several month that is a random POI happening.
Some time ago I had the same somewhere enroute to Colonia - was nearly giving me a heartattack in first moment, thought I had found a new tharg-site :)
But no - Sensor only.....
 
nope - nothing new. since several month that is a random POI happening.
Some time ago I had the same somewhere enroute to Colonia - was nearly giving me a heartattack in first moment, thought I had found a new tharg-site :)
But no - Sensor only.....
Thanks for the quick reply, I’ll go back to delivering those power generators :)
 
A thought came to me that the problem isn't the Thargoids, it's the continually existing anomaly in HIP 22460 that is altering Thargoid behaviour, disrupting Guardian tech, and generally causing Humans a headache.

Consider this:

In 3.8 / Horizons, the Anomaly doesn't exist, and Thargoid behaviour in the system is what it was before all this happened: hands-off, some curiosity, with a few bad apples (just like us really).

Beyond HIP 22460, it's business as usual with NHSSs clustered within Pleiades pockets, and otherwise no real change in human and Thargoid interactions. But also, they regard the modified Unclassified Relics with the same reverence as meta alloys: they will ask that you give them back instead of kill you for it, unlike say if you were carrying other Guardian artefacts.

Perhaps the solution to this is to close the Anomaly.

Ram and Palin may come up with hypotheses as to how we could do that.
 
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