The Thargoids are more violent then us (with proof)

[Esteban]

In the video: " I am picking up an energy surge ... Thargoids markers, but amplified past anything i've seen ". So it was never possible to go beyond 1 system.

Let me get this straight:
'I am picking up an energy surge. Thargoid markers, but amplified past anything i've seen' = 'it was never possible to go beyond 1 system.'

I don't understand how the first part means the second part is true. What's the basis for that statement?

They did attacked Sol:
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Beyond an automated response due to the use of enzyme weapons, that did not appear to be a Thargoid attack. Conspiracy theories implying a direct Thargoid attack have no proof to back them. If there was a Thargoid ship in Sol, you-know-what would have hit the fan, as they say. That would have been very difficult to hide from everyone's gaze.

 

[Lazerus Artificial]

-Thargoids striked first against the Guardians, therefor they do not care fore other alien races, we do.

And who translated that? A Human. Not we as Pilots, it was Ram Tah who told us about this.

-They do not communicate and randomly strike our stations

Randomly? no no. All attacks were in some form or another related to Inra, Aegis, messing with their Stuff, or encroaching on their Space

-We want to communicate, just as the Guardians did but they don't

SOME of us want to communicate. But we are only a few Pilots. The Big Three? They attacked. Funnily enough, thats what happened in the old Elite Lore too. We had the means to communicate...but we didnt want to. No one knows if this is stil canon though.

-Thargoids adapt and change very slowly, so it's unlikely they changed their ways. A key point in this is that they have not revoked their no-communication policy.

The new Thargoid-Scream has a "hello" hidden inside it. Maybe the current Thargoids are just automated Drones? I mean...where are the Pilots we hear so much about? The ones that gave Wicherly the Scar?

 

[Star Wanderer]

Let me get this straight:
'I am picking up an energy surge. Thargoid markers, but amplified past anything i've seen' = 'it was never possible to go beyond 1 system.'

I don't understand how the first part means the second part is true. What's the basis for that statement?

No reports of any disabled Human ships beyond Hip 22460. Unless you saw any?

 

[Star Wanderer]

Sirius and the corporation's are pushing your buttons and you are acting like a good soldier . Just following orders . I'm told they are the enemy so they must be , I mean those in charge would never lie to me ??

It's different because Goids are too different from Humans. And they are millions of years older than us, and yet, they couldn't even tell us " This is our Space here on the map, do not enter" - simple isn't it? Instead they attack us.
Their actions are puzzling to some, but it's a threat none the less, because we don't fully understand their action, their strategy, and most importantly the way they wage Wars.
Perhapes with their experience with Guardians, they simply withdrew from Human space after 1st Goids War, and waited till we wipe our self out like Guardians did. But here we still are, kicking their butts 150 years later. So their strategy of waiting for us to die, might change to helping wiping us out. - We don't know. Anything is possible.
But either way, they are bigger threat than the other Humans.

 

[angusmadmac1]

When did the viruses wipe out species that are more advance than us by million years? Are you even listening to your self?
You not only know nothing about Pandemics, and virus outbreaks on our own history on Earth, you don't even know the history of world wars, and what weapons were used there.
An attempt to wipe out entire species with a virus? This is what lack of education does to people.

Biological weapons were mainly banned against humans in the Geneva convention which also banned torture and experiments of prisoners of war . So we won't see it as that kind of war ?

Now viruses we all know what happened to the Martian's that invaded earth ? Or the native Americans who were sold disease ridden materials or even the Mayans who were brought down by the diseases of the " new world" the list goes on . This is the problem with history they fail to see the same mistakes again and again .
It might work this time we will do the same thing as they did before but we are better .
If that wasn't the idea of the virus or the wave then why were they used ?
Because we thought our fire hardened pointed stick would be better against the hornets .

Up to this moment I was enjoying this thread ( you may have guessed ) but because some are making valid points against you , you start making remarks about people who you don't know anything about and making wild assumptions . So I will let you live your good soldier RP and wish you well in what ever you deem to be the best direction .

 

[Northpin]

Up to this moment I was enjoying this thread ( you may have guessed ) but because some are making valid points against you , you start making remarks about people who you don't know anything about and making wild assumptions . So I will let you live your good soldier RP and wish you well in what ever you deem to be the best direction .

heh, i didnt even bother to reply to that, but yea, guess i will see myself out of the thread

 

[Star Wanderer]

Biological weapons were mainly banned against humans in the Geneva convention which also banned torture and experiments of prisoners of war . So we won't see it as that kind of war ?

Now viruses we all know what happened to the Martian's that invaded earth ? Or the native Americans who were sold disease ridden materials or even the Mayans who were brought down by the diseases of the " new world" the list goes on . This is the problem with history they fail to see the same mistakes again and again .
It might work this time we will do the same thing as they did before but we are better .
If that wasn't the idea of the virus or the wave then why were they used ?
Because we thought our fire hardened pointed stick would be better against the hornets .

Up to this moment I was enjoying this thread ( you may have guessed ) but because some are making valid points against you , you start making remarks about people who you don't know anything about and making wild assumptions . So I will let you live your good soldier RP and wish you well in what ever you deem to be the best direction .

You are joking right? You really really know little about medicine progress in the last 400 years, do you?
Yet here you are comparing medicine of 17-19th century Earth to a species that is roaming space for millions of years.

 

[Star Wanderer]

Ofc it's not relevant to the current war, but it's relevant to your thread title.
Or have you forgot how you titled your thread?



So no, they're not since they were not trying to wipe our entire species like we attempted with the mycoid virus - which makes us the most violent ones (they're just defending their territories and the barnacle forests)

First of all it's not my thread.
Second, you can't wipe out Species that is so older than us, that Homo Sapiens didn't even existed when Goids already roamed Space, with a Virus.
Even the game events do not support your claim. If they were afraid of the virus, why are they attacking us again?
Even 150 years later we don't know where their Home world is - so how could we have wiped them out 150 years ago?
No, you just want the Humans to be bad in Goids-Human conflict, becaue it fits your narrative, but it is not supported by the facts.

 

[Magichp]

I heard this argument before, but i simply can't understand it. Was HIP 22460 home world of Thargoids? Was majority of Thargoid population living on Hip 22460?
How were we supose to wipe out entire species, by activating Super Weapon in Hip 22460?

Was there a hiden Stargate on that planet that connected to all Thargoid world?

As others have pointed out since then, I was talking about the Mycoid virus, which was Humanity's attempt at a full Thargoid eradication. The current events are nothing compared to that.

You trying to make fun of actual information instead of acknowledging it doesn't make you right in the slightest

"Although devastatingly effective at the time, the Thargoids are believed to have developed an immunity to mycoid since their initial exposure to it, making the use of mycoid in the Second Thargoid War highly unlikely." - clearly you are the one who needs to read the lore. This is not even relevant to this war at all.

And, as you so nicely quoted for us (despite failing to mention your source for others to check) , the effects were "devastatingly effective" before they developped an immunity.
That means that Humanity killed a very high number of Thargoids with a biological weapon and that they only survived through either luck or tremendous sacrifices.

Fun fact, we don't even know if that angered them ^^ It is entirely possible that they understood that differently than we do, and that to them it was an impressive strength demonstration or a huge party to celebrate the dead or something else for all we know...

But, given our Human view and standards on this, trying to eradicate an entire civilisation with a deadly and "blind" virus is much more violent, ended more lives and created more tragedies than everything the Thargoids have done so far.

So your thread title is entirely wrong, as you still haven't shown any proof and that the violence award, while still debatable, doesn't seem to go to the species you thought it would ^^

EDIT: "the Thargoids are believed to have developed an immunity"

Hmm..... We definitely don't know a thing about them ^^ So it could be immunity, or a huge culling on their end, or something else yet again... Come on FD, give us something solid

 

[Star Wanderer]

So your thread title is entirely wrong, as you still haven't shown any proof and that the violence award, while still debatable, doesn't seem to go to the species you thought it would ^^

Why are you calling this my thread? Are you and Northpin same persone on different accounts? That is very strange.
And i already answered the other points you were trying to make, few posts above, that not only it was physically impossible to wipe our Goids, because noone even today knows where Goids are, but also that it was a clandestine operation of a very very small scale, that if gone public would have been moraly impossible to achieve unless we were facing a total annihilation. - But even than, it would have never worked anyway. Because virus had a very short period of killing it's host - and viruses like that can not spread naturaly, among the population, so you would have to go hunt every single ship, every single outpost, every single planet to try and wipe out them - and it's still wouldn't work. Space is too big.
So all this talk about xenocide is nonesense.

 

[Rainbro]

Why are you calling this my thread? Are you and Northpin same persone on different accounts? That is very strange.
And i already answered the other points you were trying to make, few posts above, that not only it was physically impossible to wipe our Goids, because noone even today knows where Goids are, but also that it was a clandestine operation of a very very small scale, that if gone public would have been moraly impossible to achieve unless we were facing a total annihilation. - But even than, it would have never worked anyway. Because virus had a very short period of killing it's host - and viruses like that can not spread naturaly, among the population, so you would have to go hunt every single ship, every single outpost, every single planet to try and wipe out them - and it's still wouldn't work. Space is too big.
So all this talk about xenocide is nonesense.

Indiscriminate killing is still indiscriminate killing regardless of whether you are capable of killing the entire species. I'm not too sure what the actual point trying to be made here is, but consider it from the other side - I don't think you'd defend the Thargoids if they were to wipe out the bubble because there are still folks out at Colonia. Adjust scale of killing as you see fit.

 

[Star Wanderer]

Indiscriminate killing is still indiscriminate killing regardless of whether you are capable of killing the entire species. I'm not too sure what the actual point trying to be made here is, but consider it from the other side - I don't think you'd defend the Thargoids if they were to wipe out the bubble because there are still folks out at Colonia. Adjust scale of killing as you see fit.

It wasn't indiscriminate, it wasn't random - the purpose was to stop the War, and it worked. 150 years of peace. When you can't communicate with Goids, and Goids don't want to communicate with you, yet killing continues, force is the only way of communication. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[Banana's_Are_Good_For_You]

If you kill or neutrilse what creates new life, it would all be over very quickly for that species.

Just saying.

 

[Rainbro]

It wasn't indiscriminate, it wasn't random - the purpose was to stop the War, and it worked. 150 years of peace.

I don't see how it could be anything less than indiscriminate given it killed entire motherships. This is the entire reason why INRA had to lie to Jameson, telling him it would only disable their hyperdrives - ending the war without mass murder.

It was supposed to target their hyperdrives. That’s what they told me. Just the hyperdrives. So we’d be safe again. So we could live without fear. Well, it did a hell of a lot more than that. There were sensors on the payload so I could monitor the reaction and make sure it activated properly. I’m staring at the data now. The weapon is… lethal. They knew what it could do. They knew what it could do and they used it anyway. How many have we killed? Thousands? Millions? God forgive us.

When you can't communicate with Goids, and Goids don't want to communicate with you, yet killing continues, force is the only way of communication. Wouldn't you agree?

When you can't communicate with the humans, and humans don't want to communicate with you, yet killing continues, force is the only way of communication. You don't agree, I take it.

 

[Star Wanderer]

If you kill or neutrilse what creates new life, it would all be over very quickly for that species.

Just saying.

Based on what? Many man and women died in wars and to viruses, deseases - and we are still here. And we are not even a spacefaring race yet.
I think you might be projecting your own fears, and don't even take the scale of spacefaring civilizations in to account.

 

[Magichp]

Why are you calling this my thread? Are you and Northpin same persone on different accounts? That is very strange.
And i already answered the other points you were trying to make, few posts above, that not only it was physically impossible to wipe our Goids, because noone even today knows where Goids are, but also that it was a clandestine operation of a very very small scale, that if gone public would have been moraly impossible to achieve unless we were facing a total annihilation. - But even than, it would have never worked anyway. Because virus had a very short period of killing it's host - and viruses like that can not spread naturaly, among the population, so you would have to go hunt every single ship, every single outpost, every single planet to try and wipe out them - and it's still wouldn't work. Space is too big.
So all this talk about xenocide is nonesense.

I called this your thread because you are the most active user here and because I assumed you were the creator because I didn't check. I hope that you saying that me and Northpin the same user with different accounts is a joke, but I'm really unsure of that...

And you answered nothing and missed all the points, it seems you didn't even knew about the Mycoid virus a few posts ago...

A virus, spreading from ship to ship, doesn't need to directly hit its target. This is not a bullet, but a virus (with fungi-like properties or something, the details are fuzzy for my old mind ^^ ) spreading from one Thargoid vessel to another. You hit one, it goes home, infect friends, that spread the virus more, etc.

I'm not sure if we have the exact specs of that virus by the way, like how long until inert, spreading methods, etc . Maybe some here have better and fresher info, but I can't tell you how the virus managed to spread. I can tell you that it did spread, that it was "devastatingly effective", and that you could still see some supposed aftermath of this at the Thargoid sites.

Everything you said here is not what is said in lore. You say that this virus (or are you saying virus in general? I really hope not ^^ ) has "a very short period of killing it's host"... I guess you are talking about incubation? Or the time between first symptoms and final stage? Anyway, if you have those informations about the Mycoid virus with a source, please share

We don't know how much of the Thargoids population it killed, was it 1%? 50%? 99%? What we do know is that it killed a very large number of them, enough to stop the war.

And they didn't even answer that, it would have been very easy for them to reverse engineer the Mycoid to infect Humans and spread it all over the bubble day 1 of their return. They didn't.

If Thargoids had unleash a virus on Humanity forcing us out of the bubble and killing a huge part of the population in the meantime, how would have Humanity answered?

 

[Rainbro]

Based on what? Many man and women died in wars and to viruses, deseases - and we are still here. And we are not even a spacefaring race yet.
I think you might be projecting your own fears, and don't even take the scale spacefaring civilizations in to account.

Referring to Thargoid Queens, I assume. Not that I think this direction has much merit, anyway. "It's fine as long as you don't kill all of them" as an argument falls apart rather quickly, particularly considering how some totally do want to kill all of them, and the only thing preventing that isn't ethics but that we aren't technically capable of it. Our approach is to kill everything in sight, but we can't see into witchspace. If that's fine because we can't kill all the Thargoids, then the Thargoids currently restrained attacks on stations should also be totally fine, no? They aren't trying to wipe us out, after all.

 

[Banana's_Are_Good_For_You]

Based on what? Many man and women died in wars and to viruses, deseases - and we are still here. And we are not even a spacefaring race yet.
I think you might be projecting your own fears, and don't even take the scale spacefaring civilizations in to account.

First, you have to understand what sci-fi is, which this game is.
Second, having played mass effect would probably have helped..
Anyway:
Ynu're being too real and taking things too seriously..
This thread was basically a discussion when ppl could just participate but now you are challenging every comment and it's killed the thread.
Maybe just chill out a bit.

 

[Star Wanderer]

I called this your thread because you are the most active user here and because I assumed you were the creator because I didn't check. I hope that you saying that me and Northpin the same user with different accounts is a joke, but I'm really unsure of that...

And you answered nothing and missed all the points, it seems you didn't even knew about the Mycoid virus a few posts ago...

A virus, spreading from ship to ship, doesn't need to directly hit its target. This is not a bullet, but a virus (with fungi-like properties or something, the details are fuzzy for my old mind ^^ ) spreading from one Thargoid vessel to another. You hit one, it goes home, infect friends, that spread the virus more, etc.

I'm not sure if we have the exact specs of that virus by the way, like how long until inert, spreading methods, etc . Maybe some here have better and fresher info, but I can't tell you how the virus managed to spread. I can tell you that it did spread, that it was "devastatingly effective", and that you could still see some supposed aftermath of this at the Thargoid sites.

Everything you said here is not what is said in lore. You say that this virus (or are you saying virus in general? I really hope not ^^ ) has "a very short period of killing it's host"... I guess you are talking about incubation? Or the time between first symptoms and final stage? Anyway, if you have those informations about the Mycoid virus with a source, please share

We don't know how much of the Thargoids population it killed, was it 1%? 50%? 99%? What we do know is that it killed a very large number of them, enough to stop the war.

And they didn't even answer that, it would have been very easy for them to reverse engineer the Mycoid to infect Humans and spread it all over the bubble day 1 of their return. They didn't.

If Thargoids had unleash a virus on Humanity forcing us out of the bubble and killing a huge part of the population in the meantime, how would have Humanity answered?

You should re-read about Mycoid, it will take you a few minutes, and spare tons of speculation in your post.
Why would a virus force us out of the Bubble? We would just create a vaccine. You do know there was a vaccine for Mycoid right?

 

[Banana's_Are_Good_For_You]

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