Winter DLC Speculation

[biggest_dreamer]

For as many neat rodents as South America has, I think the next one has gotta be the mara. It's really grown in popularity ever since the capybara got out of the way, and it’s a super common and fun zoo species.

My dark horse choice would be the humble long-tailed chinchilla. Despite being a common exotic pet, they’re no stranger to zoos, and could work as both a space-filler in a South American section as well as a children’s zoo area. They could even be paired with axolotls to build a “pets with a conservation story to tell” area.

 

[DarthQuell]

I don't think all the mountain supporters realise how much of a missed opportunity ot would be not to do something bird heavy for December.

It's the most profitable time of the year, perfect for a game changing mechanics.

And the general audiences would be outraged if birds don't come after bats have been introduced.

I dunno. I feel like they're slowly gonna add birds/bats through various DLC. Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we'll get an Avian Animal Pack, with 4 standard habitat birds and 4 WE birds

 

[Firestar97]

My dark horse choice would be the humble long-tailed chinchilla. Despite being a common exotic pet, they’re no stranger to zoos, and could work as both a space-filler in a South American section as well as a children’s zoo area. They could even be paired with axolotls to build a “pets with a conservation story to tell” area.

I'll keep such a big Colony of them if the Game lets me

 

[Iben]

It's the most profitable time of the year, perfect for a game changing mechanics.

You could argue that birds themselves are profitable enough on their own not to need a December release. But aside from that, introducing big changes to the game mechanics right before your team goes on holiday is honestly not the best move you can do We have t-shirts for that kind of stuff in our field lol

And the general audiences would be outraged if birds don't come after bats have been introduced.

But honestly, this is what I wanted to react to the most. If anyone is outraged if we don't get birds, then it's 100% on them and not on Frontier. So far Frontier has made no promises nor have they hinted at birds at all in any way, shape or form. Like, there's absolutely nothing here but pure speculation.

Whilst I can somewhat understand where people were coming from before the bats were released, just because bats are flying animals doesn't mean we're guaranteed to get birds. Not even because the exhibit is base game, because we know why Frontier makes those kind of items base game.

Looking at the cold hard facts, we got a bat and that's all we got. No hints towards birds, no guarantees that we're getting more animals in the walkthrough exhibit, no promises at all. We got a bat. Anything else is reading things into it that probably just aren't there. A thing the community has done waaaay too much already in the past

So tbh, it's not that people who are thinking about a potential mountain pack don't "realize the potential of a bird pack", we all know the potential. It's just that birds are in no way hinted at, promised or guaranteed; so we're just keeping our expectations in check.

 

[MarcB096]

I don't think all the mountain supporters realise how much of a missed opportunity ot would be not to do something bird heavy for December.

It's the most profitable time of the year, perfect for a game changing mechanics.

And the general audiences would be outraged if birds don't come after bats have been introduced.

I actually don't care that much about that....I just know that it's in my opinion a massive disappointment, if we only get the chance for birds that either don't fly at all or fly in these unrealistic and way too short loops as the bats do....apart from the fact, that the new exhibit would be way too small for most birds (except maybe canaries).

I don't have a problem to get some good mammals now and wait for a real flying mechanic in the future.....
The bat flying-loop mechanic is so bad, that they even fly through the stuff you can select to be inside the exhibit.

 

[yoav_r]

I actually don't care that much about that....I just know that it's in my opinion a massive disappointment, if we only get the chance for birds that either don't fly at all or fly in these unrealistic and way too short loops as the bats do....apart from the fact, that the new exhibit would be way too small for most birds (except maybe canaries).

To be fair, birds in zoos barely fly at all. They'd rather be lazy and walk 99% of the time.

 

[random goat]

You could argue that birds themselves are profitable enough on their own not to need a December release. But aside from that, introducing big changes to the game mechanics right before your team goes on holiday is honestly not the best move you can do We have t-shirts for that kind of stuff in our field lol


But honestly, this is what I wanted to react to the most. If anyone is outraged if we don't get birds, then it's 100% on them and not on Frontier. So far Frontier has made no promises nor have they hinted at birds at all in any way, shape or form. Like, there's absolutely nothing here but pure speculation.

Whilst I can somewhat understand where people were coming from before the bats were released, just because bats are flying animals doesn't mean we're guaranteed to get birds. Not even because the exhibit is base game, because we know why Frontier makes those kind of items base game.

Looking at the cold hard facts, we got a bat and that's all we got. No hints towards birds, no guarantees that we're getting more animals in the walkthrough exhibit, no promises at all. We got a bat. Anything else is reading things into it that probably just aren't there. A thing the community has done waaaay too much already in the past

So tbh, it's not that people who are thinking about a potential mountain pack don't "realize the potential of a bird pack", we all know the potential. It's just that birds are in no way hinted at, promised or guaranteed; so we're just keeping our expectations in check.

Iben the scorpion has spoken.

 

[yoav_r]

So tbh, it's not that people who are thinking about a potential mountain pack don't "realize the potential of a bird pack", we all know the potential. It's just that birds are in no way hinted at, promised or guaranteed; so we're just keeping our expectations in check.

But the mountain pack is also not hinted at at all.

 

[becks474]

I don't think all the mountain supporters realise how much of a missed opportunity ot would be not to do something bird heavy for December.

It's the most profitable time of the year, perfect for a game changing mechanics.

And the general audiences would be outraged if birds don't come after bats have been introduced.

It has nothing to do with mountain supporting. I can just speak for me but I can imagine the same is the case for other people. I see this thread not as a Wishlist but as a thread I want to put in DLC options I see realistic. And for me this is mountains or any colder based DLC. Of course Frontier can go wild again with any idea they have. In case of flying birds I see them coming as Walkthrough exhibits at the Moment until Frontier proofs me wrong. And I really do not want and cannot imagine we will get a DLC composed fully of exhibit species.

 

[Iben]

But the mountain pack is also not hinted at at all.

Correct, a possible mountain pack just falls under the umbrella of what Frontier usually releases in December, aka a pack that is (partially) in theme with winter/holidays. And whilst that is realistic speculation based on packs we had before, there's nothing about the walkthrough exhibit that really hints to a birds pack other than "a bat flies so it must be birds".

It's of course perfectly fine to speculate about the next pack and it's especially good to dream; but if you end up being outraged because you speculated to wildly then that's on you. That's the thing to take away from my comment really. We're 3 years in, we know what realistic and less realistic expectations are by now. Both are fine to have, but you're in control of your own expectations at the end of the day and being outraged about something you were never promised or guaranteed is a big no in my book.

 

[Firestar97]

but if you end up being outraged because you speculated to wildly then that's on you. That's the thing to take away from my comment really. We're 3 years in, we know what realistic and less realistic expectations are by now. Both are fine to have, but you're in control of your own expectations at the end of the day and being outraged about something you were never promised or guaranteed is a big no in my book

I'll never buy a single DLC again if Frontier won't release a Mountain Pack with the Gelada, the Alpine Marmot, the Rock Hyrax and the Kea

 

[Aramar]

I've only just really considered them today (I've put more information on my personal wishlist), but one animal I would love to see in a mountain animal pack would be the pacarana. It would tick a lot of boxes - it would add another rodent, which lives only in mountainous forests of the Andes (from 250 to 3,200m elevation) and so would also add another South American animal. They can climb, burrow and when they get their fur wet they wash their pits like a little person.

Look at them. Such magnificent creatures.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLb6bFrpUnI

Never heard of them before

 

[SalamAnders]

If anyone is outraged if we don't get birds, then it's 100% on them and not on Frontier.

No matter what, it is outrageous to only have 7 bird species (flying or not) in a zoo game that has been running for 3 years. That is on Frontier.

 

[ElectricMonk]

. Animals from … Oceania are very well represented,

I don’t think we’re playing the same game.

 

[SalamAnders]

I don’t think we’re playing the same game.

Wait... Is this not the forum for Ty The Tasmanian Tiger 2 Bush Rescue for PS2?

 

[NachoB]

I don’t think we’re playing the same game.

Well at this point is better represented than South America

 

[yoav_r]

I don’t think we’re playing the same game.

To be fair, australia is well represented compared to international collections, barring the missing emu and wallaby.

It's still far from ideal, and we need these Emu and Wallaby.

 

[MarcB096]

I'll never buy a single DLC again if Frontier won't release a Mountain Pack with the Gelada, the Alpine Marmot, the Rock Hyrax and the Kea

I somehow doubt we get the Kea....at least with the next pack

 

[ElectricMonk]

....apart from the fact, that the new exhibit would be way too small for most birds (except maybe canaries).

I don’t know what zoos you’re going to but at all of the ones I’ve been to most birds are kept in aviaries considerably smaller than the new walk-through. Most birds are kept in aviaries not much bigger, or even smaller, than the old exhibits which are, after all, 4x4 m, which is the size of a large room (or 4 king sized beds).

 

[ElectricMonk]

It's still far from ideal, and we need these Emu and Wallaby.

Even compared to international collections, Australia is very poorly represented (8 vs. 12 habitat species). The only way to argue otherwise is if you collapse all wallabies and/or kangaroos into one category. This is just as unreasonable as collapsing all SA monkeys or all African antelopes into one.

IMO, we need two wallabies, another kangaroo and a tree kangaroo at minimum (and not even mentioning NZ animals) to bring Oceania’s representation anywhere near Europe or NA.

SA is, I agree, missing more key species than Australia but Australia is less well represented. I’m fine with Oceania being the least well represented continent but it is currently well below other continents, even SA, in terms of key species that need to be added for minimum adequate representation. In those terms SA is missing monkeys but if we got (say) 2 of them it’d be far better represented than Australia, even proportionally.