Simple.
To show the difference between Steam stats and reality.
As your link to Eve-offline.net shows.
2.1 generated very little interest on Steam. Player numbers still in the dirt.
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Simple.
To show the difference between Steam stats and reality.
As your link to Eve-offline.net shows.
Steam..... lol.
I remember the hype trains!
Many many a hype train!
chooo chooo!
Remember though the passionate ED players purchased straight from FDEV's own publishing, rather than much much much later through STEAM.
The chances are that STEAM players are trend players, who stick to nothing in particular, and have huge libraries diluting their play time. I know that three of my other fav games on steam at the moment 'Subnautica', 'Ark Survival' and 'Space Engineers' recently underwent some major updates, which were very interesting and strayed me from ED
I'd like to say that STEAM numbers are indicative of ED popularity, but alas it's not. STEAM numbers just follow trends in a very fickle way, and do not actually provide numbers on the absolute loyal playerbase subscribed through FDEVS own publishing.
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The majority on this forum dont care about Steam Charts.
Really? I can remember myself to a lot of "OMG Elite got bad reviews on Steam" Threads.
I remember the hype trains!
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/523/877/7b7
Many many a hype train!
chooo chooo!
Remember though the passionate ED players purchased straight from FDEV's own publishing, rather than much much much later through STEAM.
The chances are that STEAM players are trend players, who stick to nothing in particular, and have huge libraries diluting their play time. I know that three of my other fav games on steam at the moment 'Subnautica', 'Ark Survival' and 'Space Engineers' recently underwent some major updates, which were very interesting and strayed me from ED
I'd like to say that STEAM numbers are indicative of ED popularity, but alas it's not. STEAM numbers just follow trends in a very fickle way, and do not actually provide numbers on the absolute loyal playerbase subscribed through FDEVS own publishing.
While i in no way can speak for the majority, i did order ED through the Frontier store but was left without viable payment method when they removed direct debit so i added E-D to my steam account to be able to do purchases. Also, patchng through steam is way faster than through the Launcher.
While the steam crowd might not be the majority, i think they are a good indicator for trends. And in that regard 2.1 did not have a positiv impact on active player numbers.
Really makes me chuckle seeing the usual types here trying to pretend that steam, one of the biggest games platforms around is not relevant A bit like having a wheel drop off your car and saying "thats ok, dont use it that much anyway and have 3 more".. Of COURSE steam is important considering they actually went to so much bother to get it on steam in the first place, its not there by co-incidence! Anyone with eyes can see the player numbers are dropping, plenty of sales but not a lot of retention.
A bit like having a wheel drop off your car and saying "thats ok, dont use it that much anyway and have 3 more".. Of COURSE steam is important considering they actually went to so much bother to get it on steam in the first place, its not there by co-incidence! Anyone with eyes can see the player numbers are dropping, plenty of sales but not a lot of retention.I sometimes play ED on an Apple notebook via Steam, so why won't that count?? My playing hours increase in Steam regardless if I play on Windows or OS X
Really makes me chuckle seeing the usual types here trying to pretend that steam, one of the biggest games platforms around is not relevant
Considering ED has been proven to be game people like to return to I hardly see it as a problem.
The problem is, they are not dropping. People just don't know how to use and read statistics.Really makes me chuckle seeing the usual types here trying to pretend that steam, one of the biggest games platforms around is not relevant
Steam numbers showed a couple of times before that the game is dead, there have been threads and all that. In 100% of these cases it turned out the game is living on just fine, so do you have any good reason why I should take that stuff serious?Really makes me chuckle seeing the usual types here trying to pretend that steam, one of the biggest games platforms around is not relevant
Pushing through the market square,
so many mothers sighing
News had just come over,
we had five months left to cry in
Braben wept and told us,
Elite was really dying
Cried so much his face was wet,
then I knew he was not lying
I heard engine sounds, cannon fire, atmospheric melodies
I saw CMDRs, ships, stations and SRVs
My brain hurt like a cargo rack, it had no room to spare
I had to cram so many things to store everything in there
And all the harmless-elite players,
and all the rich-poor players
and all the nobody players,
and all the somebody players
I never thought I'd need so many players
We've got five months, stuck on my eyes
We've got five months, what a surprise
We've got five months, my brain hurts a lot
We've got five months, that's all we've got
so many mothers sighing
News had just come over,
we had five months left to cry in
Braben wept and told us,
Elite was really dying
Cried so much his face was wet,
then I knew he was not lying
I heard engine sounds, cannon fire, atmospheric melodies
I saw CMDRs, ships, stations and SRVs
My brain hurt like a cargo rack, it had no room to spare
I had to cram so many things to store everything in there
And all the harmless-elite players,
and all the rich-poor players
and all the nobody players,
and all the somebody players
I never thought I'd need so many players
We've got five months, stuck on my eyes
We've got five months, what a surprise
We've got five months, my brain hurts a lot
We've got five months, that's all we've got
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Although, are numbers actively playing actually an indicator if ED isn't popular? In a monthly subscription game, sure thing - monthly subs make the money...
BUT ED, surely the units sold (including update sales) would the the ultimate indicator of ED downtrending? in which case we wont really know until season 3.
BUT ED, surely the units sold (including update sales) would the the ultimate indicator of ED downtrending? in which case we wont really know until season 3.
Just to clarify, I have NEVER said the game is dead, dying etc. I WOULD say and HAVE said a drop in players (not sales) is of concern, of course it is, I'm sure FD is concerned right? What I see here from some is nothing short of willful denial and deflection.
I like ED, am not really happy about its current state and I still play albeit less and less. I think there are some people on these forums are so self centered they cannot or will not try to accept that other players views are just as valid and relevant. I'm not talking about the trolls who come here to bash the game but players with concerns and issues with the current/future state of the game. Theres more combat here than the game, I swear.
Short term the numbers have gone up since 2.1. Looking semi long term (since the winter sale) they have dropped, BUT...that's true for most games.
We can see similar drops in steam stats for GTAV, EVE Online, Team Fortress 2, Civ 5, Counter Strike and so on...(there are of course always exceptions)
Sales create peaks that then drops of...all of the major peaks in ED numbers (and the following "player drop") on Steam can be traced to sales (and that is true for most games.) ED hasn't had a sale since December. The Summer sales will once again create a peak when it comes.
Context is important.
Not being a subscription game also makes this somewhat irrelevant. The important thing is how they are selling and we have no idea of the number of Horizons sales since there are no stats of that and it doesn't show on Steam. Nor is Steam the only platform they are selling on. So these stats are really muddy waters now.
For me there are really three things that are important.
1. Do I personally enjoy the game? Yes I do.
2. Do FD intend to continue developing the game? Yes they do.
3. Is FD in the financial position to do so? Yes they are based off their latest trade updates.
I love Steam. It is a good and convenient gaming service and I have many games on there.
I was pro Steam codes for ED too.
Then many of us realized that Steam would take a considerable part of the profits if we activated our Steam codes.
Many of us who love what FD is creating, and want them to make as much money as possible for the future development of the game, decided not to activate the Steam codes.
Short term the numbers have gone up since 2.1. Looking semi long term (since the winter sale) they have dropped, BUT...that's true for most games.
We can see similar drops in steam stats for GTAV, EVE Online, Team Fortress 2, Civ 5, Counter Strike and so on...(there are of course always exceptions)
Sales create peaks that then drops of...all of the major peaks in ED numbers (and the following "player drop") on Steam can be traced to sales (and that is true for most games.) ED hasn't had a sale since December. The Summer sales will once again create a peak when it comes.
Context is important.
Not being a subscription game also makes this somewhat irrelevant. The important thing is how they are selling and we have no idea of the number of Horizons sales since there are no stats of that and it doesn't show on Steam. Nor is Steam the only platform they are selling on. So these stats are really muddy waters now.
For me there are really three things that are important.
1. Do I personally enjoy the game? Yes I do.
2. Do FD intend to continue developing the game? Yes they do.
3. Is FD in the financial position to do so? Yes they are based off their latest trade updates.
The problem is that people are looking at the wrong numbers. A drop in concurrent players just indicates a drop in playtime, not a drop in the number of players. If you look at the audience / unique players in 2 weeks, you'll notice that we are constantly at 80.000 players from steam (+ the estimated 80.000 from FDEV) for PC. Also both steamspy and steamcharts are doing a poor job in showing concurrent players because they are flattening the curve in favor for peak numbers. This is highly inaccurate, the graphs on steamdb are much more representative.
I thought space was only true in fairy tales
Meant for someone else but not for me.
Space was out to get me
That's the way it seemed.
Disappointment haunted all my dreams.
Then I saw Elite, now I'm a believer
Not a trace of doubt in my mind.
I'm in space, I'm a believer!
I couldn't leave it if I tried.
I thought space was more or less a given thing,
Seems the more I gave the less I got.
What's the use in tryin'?
All you get is pain.
When I needed sunshine I got rain.
Then I saw Elite, now I'm a believer
Not a trace of doubt in my mind.
I'm in space, I'm a believer!
I couldn't leave it if I tried.
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