The problem, one of them anyway, with this line of reasoning is that it won't be long before other aspects of the game are simplified for us, too. How long before we just have a button press to land our ships on planetary surfaces a la' NMS, for instance? This design decision is being floated to pander to the casuals, and it's the opposite of what I hold dear about ED in the first place.
2.2's Instant Ship and Module Transport - Yay or Nay?
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The problem, one of them anyway, with this line of reasoning is that it won't be long before other aspects of the game are simplified for us, too. How long before we just have a button press to land our ships on planetary surfaces a la' NMS, for instance? This design decision is being floated to pander to the casuals, and it's the opposite of what I hold dear about ED in the first place.
Means your lowest jumping ship will only be limited by the fsd of your farthest jumper + your wallet. It will screw badly with ship balance.
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That's a slippery slope argument.
When all players have access to the same advantage/disadvantage, I'm not sure how that affects 'balance'.
Personally, I am not interested about ship transfer too much. I did the math and if we will need to pay for the ship transfer, I do not see any reason to use it.
On the other side, I can quite clearly imagine that instant and stateless way of ship transport is the fastest and most uncomplicated way how to implement the feature. And less time on this feature means that Devs can concentrate on more important aspects of ED. Aspects like "how to implement some real game in the existing beta version of space engine" or "How to make a ship/station walking really cool" etc. Things like that.
No it won't. Getting that ship there faster doesn't unbalance anything, and the range still matters when you go to use it. You still have to use your FSD. What does it matter if it gets there now or tomorrow? A few extra hours in the RES?
24h is ONE day.... if 18-19 hours are TWO days for you, then, you are not planning properly or living a good/healthy life.
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24h is ONE day.... if 18-19 hours are TWO days for you, then, you are not planning properly.
It's 2 days worth of game time. I'm not awake 24/7 (usually) and I work 12 hour shifts OK a rotating 48 hour schedule.
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Sure, I get that. I fully understand that plenty of the things that I love about ED lots of other players either grudgingly tolerate or even outright dislike. Personally, one of the things that endears ED the most to me is it's epic sense of scale; if you want to get a fighter from one side of the bubble you have to work for it, both in terms of just jumping the darn thing from Cubeo to Sothis in the first place, but also in the sense that getting it not only combat ready but also long range jump worthy takes a lot of commitment. I love that about this game. Insta-travel is going to murder that aspect of the game.
I know that I'm on a slippery slope, and no doubt fighting for the losing side, but that isn't going to stop me from swinging.
It removes the need to have multirole.
Multiroles such as :
Trader/fighter
Explorer/fighter
Trader/explorer
are now 100% pointless.
Why spend time working out how to adapt and pick to either have a ship that is good at one thing or one thats okay at everything when you can just have magic?
You go to the system in your new special transport and then magic your fighter or trader to the port.
No more need to pick between a long trip with a good fighter or a short trip with a bad fighter , military FSD techniques are gone.
Try this general explanation everyone?...
A Federal Corvette and FDL are well known in game as powerful combat ships, but have woefull FSD's and very poor travel distance. One way to improve this is to spend a huge amount of credits purchasing an 'A' grade FSD then work in game for a great number of hours to engineer them to jump even further..
However, with instantaneous ship transfer, not only can Cmdrs bypass this massive expense of time and credits, Ships can now be fitted with grade 'D' FSD's, making combat ships even faster and more manoeuvrable.
All is required now is a lightweight Asp to do the travelling and then 'transfer' my combat ship to the party
Unbalancing all the ships in one fail swoop. And bypassing the process of putting in time and credits to upgrade 99% of the ships FSD's. You could argue that everyone is at the same advanage or disadvantage. But it doesn't detract from the fact that a huge amount of gameplay is made redundant in the process
is this a good consideration ?
Flimley
A Federal Corvette and FDL are well known in game as powerful combat ships, but have woefull FSD's and very poor travel distance. One way to improve this is to spend a huge amount of credits purchasing an 'A' grade FSD then work in game for a great number of hours to engineer them to jump even further..
However, with instantaneous ship transfer, not only can Cmdrs bypass this massive expense of time and credits, Ships can now be fitted with grade 'D' FSD's, making combat ships even faster and more manoeuvrable.
All is required now is a lightweight Asp to do the travelling and then 'transfer' my combat ship to the party
Unbalancing all the ships in one fail swoop. And bypassing the process of putting in time and credits to upgrade 99% of the ships FSD's. You could argue that everyone is at the same advanage or disadvantage. But it doesn't detract from the fact that a huge amount of gameplay is made redundant in the process
is this a good consideration ?
Flimley
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You just described an exploit. The reason people wanted ship transfers was they wouldn't have to play Valet to get their fleet across the bubble. No one ever expected that the delivery method would create an exploit that would override the jump range balance mechanics completely!! getting an FDL to Jaques in 20% of the time it would normally take!!!
If they want to address broken and painful jump ranges then they should do it directly by fixing the ships that need love. Buff the FDL and Corvette jump ranges! Not muck about with magic Taxicondas and astronomical transfer fees. That just nerfs the bank accounts of people who like short range ships. And guess who gets hit hardest with that transfer tax? The shorty FSD Feds. #ImperialBias.
Yes, a most excellent consideration. I was fumbling my way through a post a few above this trying to make this (similar) point.
I know where you're coming from, it's just that the slope usually keeps getting even more slippery if I try to argue with it. So, I just call it out and move on.
If you say so. Won't stop me (or anyone else) doing exactly that anyhow. All that'll change is the ballache logistics of running a hauler between stations to shuffle a fleet about.
Did you just blatantly ignore my response to this point? You wouldn't have to be in game for the 18-19 hours to pass!
yes for gods sake. design a wicked transport ship that we can use and transport our ships with.. with the chance we get interdicted etc... jesus.
It isn't an exploit. At that point, it's an intended game mechanic available to everyone equally.
Once again, you still need your FSD if you plan on leaving that system.
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I'm well aware. It's just that 20 hours later, I'm probably not going to be on. Chances are, it would be the next day.
You can always imagine that you hired a bunch of NPCs and they was flying at the same time as you. And you just told them the exact station name where they should land.
how about we actually hire npcs and they transport our ships? because it would involve coding something other than a menu?
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