I would prefer to have it now and fix it later, given my realistic options, and as stated, it only undermines base principals when you don't bother to explain it for yourself and or blatantly abuse the system. There's no reason it has to have a startling effect on your own personal experience of the game. Sure, you can call the perfect ship to you to take that mission you really want. I won't be bothering. Sure, you can exploit it to take one or two jumps off of a longer trade route. I won't be bothering. Furthermore, I see no reason to care if other players decide they do want to do those things. Yeah, unfortunately for those who enjoy ganking traders to no end those traders are going to be able to swap to their favorite combat ships and come after you, but I don't see that as a bad thing even as someone who will target players while undermining.
2.2's Instant Ship and Module Transport - Yay or Nay?
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I would prefer to have it now and fix it later, given my realistic options, and as stated, it only undermines base principals when you don't bother to explain it for yourself and or blatantly abuse the system. There's no reason it has to have a startling effect on your own personal experience of the game. Sure, you can call the perfect ship to you to take that mission you really want. I won't be bothering. Sure, you can exploit it to take one or two jumps off of a longer trade route. I won't be bothering. Furthermore, I see no reason to care if other players decide they do want to do those things. Yeah, unfortunately for those who enjoy ganking traders to no end those traders are going to be able to swap to their favorite combat ships and come after you, but I don't see that as a bad thing even as someone who will target players while undermining.
Two problems a) human nature... if a system can be exploited, it will be and b) once something is in the game, it rarely get's fixed/made more complex later.
But you are acting as the spokesman for a group of players who havent appointed you for that. I have read many posts in this thread by players with little playtime who despise instamagic. And you have read them too. Don't abuse them, please
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Exploiting is just a way to do things faster and more efficient. Entire human civilisation progress is.. exploiting. This is called a science.
If there is an option to do something faster and cheaper with less resources then there is no reason to do it old way. We are not using horses at now, we are using cars. We are not using Amiga's (i am loving it), but efficient PC.
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No ship transport at all (current situation): maybe realistic, but very inconvenient -> needs addressing, no arguing here
Instant ship transfer (currently announced feature): convenient, but very unrealistic; likely exploitable; breaks established rules of in-game universe -> still not good
time-consuming ship transfer (proposed solution): convenient; adds a strategic layer that lets you get even more out of it if you plan ahead (but is still drastically more convenient than the current situation even if you don't plan ahead); retains some realism and plausibility -> best solution that should make the most people happy
Instant ship transfer (currently announced feature): convenient, but very unrealistic; likely exploitable; breaks established rules of in-game universe -> still not good
time-consuming ship transfer (proposed solution): convenient; adds a strategic layer that lets you get even more out of it if you plan ahead (but is still drastically more convenient than the current situation even if you don't plan ahead); retains some realism and plausibility -> best solution that should make the most people happy
My diction was beyond irrelevant.
I'm not a spokesperson for anyone except the figures you keep ignoring while coming up with completely fabricated scenarios how the mechanic can be exploitet.
Basically, you're trying to sell opinion as "fact".
"15 minutes is not much".
15 minutes is not much, if you have 10 hours available.
15 minutes is too much, if you have 10 minutes available.
15 minutes is much, if you have 60 minutes available.
Claiming to enjoy complexity and planning then resorting to oversimplification to push a point is a bit questionable in my books.
And the worst of all actually "Witchspace is 'scientific'".
Err.. nope. Isn't scientific in the first place.
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Not having ship transfer is not realistic. If I owned a container ship you can bet your last dollar that I would be able to hire a crew to move it from Japan to England (without me on board) if I wanted to.
Which is why this sandracadabra teleportation thing is a wet dream for exploiters.
I understand .. really.
You still need to deal with the consequences of those choices whether ship transfer exists or not though. If you kitted out an uber combat ship with a very small jump range, thats still limiting you to what you can do with it, even if you transfer it. Especially when you need a shipyard to transport it to.
So as it currently stands that uber ship would be left where it is, you would travel to another system , and then currently you would buy another ship instead. The alternative is to strip out of the strip of its combat parts and replace it with explorer parts and then replace it with combat parts again at the other end.
The difference here that I see is we will end up with more focused builds of ships because people wont have to compromise as much as they do now. If someone wants to build an uber ship now, they can still do that, they just buy a new one and kit it out. All this does is removes the requirement to do that, but the end result is still the same.
I meant "Realistic" in how the physics may work: right now you have to physically fly to your stored ship to pick it up. That's all I meant by "realistic" in thise case.
Could they instantly teleport it ?
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With a scientifically accurate FSD, of course they could.
Again. I struggle to understand the concern about other players exploiting the moving of their ships beyond some totalitarian need to control their experience of the game. I can almost agree with the trade CG thing, except that it's an issue I think they actually can deal with through the cost of transfers.
With a scientifically accurate FSD, of course they could.
Well...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive
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We'll see about that in beta, I guess... I doubt it.
Irrelevant. I wasn't saying the 3rd option wasn't the best, I was saying the first option was wrong.
Well said!
Then of course we would have the massive battle for how long the delay should be.
I think FD should, on this point, let the community decide.
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Then on that you're correct.
The problem with all those theoretically possible drives is always that the energy they require is greater than that of the space they try to bend.
And laws of thermodynamics .. energy is no created or destroyed, just transformed - oversimplifiedly speaking you'd have to burn the entire galaxy to travel trough it by bending space-time.
(I tried some SciFi writing in the late 80ies and also tried to wrap my head around Einstein and Hawking at that time .. it's interesting but "not possible" sums it up quite nicely .. maybe someone with a more recent and deeper understanding of the topic can explain it better or more accurate ^^ ).
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