200 credits bounty, 250M credits punishment

rajziel

R
also as a returning player, even under the old system, you would know never to alt tab while docking whilst wanted.

The thing is these are mistakes that a new player would not make because a new player would look it up straight away. these are mistakes people returning will make as they are working under the old system. And the biggest mistake, alt tabbing while wanted and docking, would have been a mistake under the old system anyway
 

Trellek

T
C&P is not a great feature of the game... I personally avoid it. But it is a shame, the purpose of C&P is precisely to allow a varied gameplay that included outlaw activities. So avoiding it cause it’s too much of a hassle is a direct confrontation to all those people who spent time and “love” to try to make it work. The direction they received when building the system sucked, so hopefully they don’t take it too personally.

It is unclear to me why FDEV persist with this strategy.

And to those that defend the policy, I can only assume you are role playing. If so, hats off. If not... huh?
 

d8veh

d8veh
war4peace said:
@Ian Skippy it is not about how many mistakes one makes. Beginners do make mistakes, you know, it's human nature.
Alt-tabbing out of the game is of no relevance, because even if I wouldn't have had done that, I was misled by:

1. The station accepting my docking request
2. The cryptic "Anonymous access" message which appeared AFTER docking access being granted.
3. Station starting to shoot me AFTER I was inside it.
4. No attempt to enforce payment of the bounty prior to ship destruction.
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I don't think you understand what went wrong. You got blown up because you were scanned by the cops in front of the station when you had a bounty on you.

1. Your docking request was accepted because they hadn't scanned you at that point, so they didn't know you were a bad guy.
2. The message basically told you that you had been scanned and they had revoked your docking permission because the cops reported you as a bad guy with a bounty on you.
3. The station shot you because you didn't have permission to be in there. That red message had told you that your permission had been revoked. You can't ignore red messages!
4. Paying of bounties and fines are optional, but if you're scanned by the cops when you have a bounty on you, you can expect trouble, so you have avoid their scans while you have it, which means either don't go near the cops or sneak past them without then seeing you.
 
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Phil JMac

P
I tell you what fella whatever happened you certainly have a relaxed attitude to danger

Flying with 25 rares and 250m in exploration data and still doing data delivery?

Banging on the old docking computer whilst wanted?

cojones or crazy...


If it makes you feel any better I lost about the same in data and the only good looking crew member I've ever found after getting stuck on something on a pad... It does sting a bit
 

zipline

zipline
OP, I think the lesson learned here is that if you are looking for sympathy, or maybe just some empathy, you have come to the wrong place on this forum! ☺
I remember some time ago returning from a long explo trip with many millions credits worth of carto data. Like you I was hoarding it to rank up with some engineers. I got into a fight with an npc, before I could fight and in an explo build, and saw the rebuy and lost it all.
It hurt like hell, for many days, so I feel your pain cmdr.
 

d8veh

d8veh
To be fair to OP. We've all been through a similar scenario at times. After all, the game is called Elite Dangerous, not Elite Safe. There are all sorts of things in the game to catch you out when you least expect it.

One important rule you can apply is that the more you have to lose, the higher the chance that something will make you lose it.

Learn from your mistakes. If anything ever seems to happen that doesn't make sense, have a look at your log files. There is often something on there that tells you why something happened that you didn't expect. You find log files in C:\Users\USER\Saved Games\Frontier Developments\Elite Dangerous where "USER" is your Windows login name (USER by default). Everything that happens in the game is recorded there.
 

Phisto Sobanii

Phisto Sobanii
rajziel said:
also as a returning player, even under the old system, you would know never to alt tab while docking whilst wanted.

The thing is these are mistakes that a new player would not make because a new player would look it up straight away. these are mistakes people returning will make as they are working under the old system. And the biggest mistake, alt tabbing while wanted and docking, would have been a mistake under the old system anyway
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Post of the thread, right here.

And yeah OP, what happened stings big time. While there's always some good natured ribbing with this sort of thing the spirit is pick you up, dust you off, and get you back to business.
 

Kaocraft

Kaocraft
Frontier REALLY screwed up when they added "anonymous access", and the red "scales" icon; and then used them for both bounties AND fines.

Most players do not understand the distinction between bounties and fines, and this is 100% Frontier's fault. Doubly shameful after multiple iterations including a whole update to the "New Player Experience" which does NOTHING to make their C&P system legible.

Either look everything up ahead of time and commit the entire system to memory, or die.

I am by the way completely supportive of the overall design of the C&P overhaul, but boy did they botch the implementation (like they always do with UI/UX for some strange reason)
 

war4peace

W
rajziel said:
Hang on
You accidentelly shot ONE shot resulting in a 200 fine.

how did that become a bounty?
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Yes, I clicked instead of right-clicking while in my SRV, it shot the building once. Then the automated response units from that outpost started firing at me and I ran off with my SRV at 10%. I didn't fight them back. After botching that mission I abandoned it, then logged off.

After logging back on the next day I proceeded towards the destination station for another mission I had, and that's where I was murdered in cold blood.

rajziel said:
Also you said you went to a station and paid it off?
If so none of this would have happened and you may have had a bounty from elsewhere.
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No, I went to that station to pay it off. Here is the Journal text below:



Code: 
"{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:39:35Z", "event":"Cargo", "Vessel":"Ship", "Count":32, "Inventory":[ { "Name":"centaurimegagin", "Name_Localised":"Centauri Mega Gin", "Count":1, "Stolen":0 }, { "Name":"modularterminals", "Name_Localised":"Modular Terminals", "Count":3, "Stolen":0 }, { "Name":"buildingfabricators", "Name_Localised":"Building Fabricators", "Count":5, "Stolen":0 }, { "Name":"thehuttonmug", "Name_Localised":"The Hutton Mug", "Count":23, "Stolen":0 } ] }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:39:58Z", "event":"StartJump", "JumpType":"Supercruise" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:40:03Z", "event":"SupercruiseEntry", "StarSystem":"Groombridge 34", "SystemAddress":7267755828641 }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:40:03Z", "event":"Music", "MusicTrack":"Supercruise" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:44:11Z", "event":"SupercruiseExit", "StarSystem":"Groombridge 34", "SystemAddress":7267755828641, "Body":"Matthews City", "BodyID":30, "BodyType":"Station" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:44:11Z", "event":"Music", "MusicTrack":"DestinationFromSupercruise" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:44:16Z", "event":"Music", "MusicTrack":"NoTrack" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:44:18Z", "event":"ReceiveText", "From":"Matthews City", "Message":"$STATION_NoFireZone_entered;", "Message_Localised":"No fire zone entered.", "Channel":"npc" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:44:22Z", "event":"DockingRequested", "MarketID":128157688, "StationName":"Matthews City", "StationType":"Coriolis" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:44:23Z", "event":"ReceiveText", "From":"Matthews City", "Message":"$DockingChatter_Cordial;", "Message_Localised":"Welcome back, Commander.", "Channel":"npc" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:44:23Z", "event":"ReceiveText", "From":"Matthews City", "Message":"$STATION_docking_granted;", "Message_Localised":"Docking request granted.", "Channel":"npc" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:44:23Z", "event":"DockingGranted", "LandingPad":35, "MarketID":128157688, "StationName":"Matthews City", "StationType":"Coriolis" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:44:30Z", "event":"Music", "MusicTrack":"DockingComputer" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:45:16Z", "event":"Scanned", "ScanType":"Cargo" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:45:16Z", "event":"ReceiveText", "From":"$ShipName_Police_Federation;", "From_Localised":"Federal Security Service", "Message":"$Police_Attack05;", "Message_Localised":"You are wanted in this sector. Engaging.", "Channel":"npc" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:45:16Z", "event":"ReceiveText", "From":"Matthews City", "Message":"$DockingFailed_Hostile;", "Message_Localised":"Criminals have no docking privileges, lethal response authorised", "Channel":"npc" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:45:16Z", "event":"DockingDenied", "Reason":"Hostile", "MarketID":128157688, "StationName":"Matthews City", "StationType":"Coriolis" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:45:16Z", "event":"Music", "MusicTrack":"NoTrack" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:45:16Z", "event":"ReceiveText", "From":"$ShipName_Police_Federation;", "From_Localised":"Federal Security Service", "Message":"$Police_Attack10;", "Message_Localised":"Submit to justice, criminal.", "Channel":"npc" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:45:16Z", "event":"ReceiveText", "From":"$ShipName_Police_Federation;", "From_Localised":"Federal Security Service", "Message":"$Police_Attack10;", "Message_Localised":"Submit to justice, criminal.", "Channel":"npc" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:45:16Z", "event":"UnderAttack", "Target":"You" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:45:16Z", "event":"UnderAttack", "Target":"You" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:45:16Z", "event":"Music", "MusicTrack":"Combat_Dogfight" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:45:17Z", "event":"UnderAttack", "Target":"You" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:45:23Z", "event":"HullDamage", "Health":0.768144, "PlayerPilot":true, "Fighter":false }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:45:25Z", "event":"HullDamage", "Health":0.597417, "PlayerPilot":true, "Fighter":false }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:45:25Z", "event":"HullDamage", "Health":0.394714, "PlayerPilot":true, "Fighter":false }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:45:26Z", "event":"HullDamage", "Health":0.196097, "PlayerPilot":true, "Fighter":false }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:45:27Z", "event":"Died", "KillerName":"$ShipName_Police_Federation;", "KillerName_Localised":"Federal Security Service", "KillerShip":"viper", "KillerRank":"Deadly" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:45:33Z", "event":"Music", "MusicTrack":"MainMenu" }
{ "timestamp":"2019-06-18T19:47:07Z", "event":"Resurrect", "Option":"rebuy", "Cost":2733564, "Bankrupt":false }"]

rajziel said:
Also you had a few days in between, did you not look up the C&P system the first time you logged out? or before you logged back in?
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One, one day, and because I still believed I could dock up and pay the fine (or bounty), I wend ahead and did just that.

rajziel said:
Not being funny, and I know the information is quite obscure, but I returned well after the C&P changes and I had missed its announcement.
The first time I accidentally got a bounty (killing a ship before my scan showed it as wanted, but I knew it was as it was shooting an npc I had chosen to escort around a RES) I flew to a station to pay it off, saw that I couldnt and then read up on if there had been changes
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That's the thing, I could dock up, the station allowed me to dock in the first place, THEN they scanned me, THEN they killed me.

rajziel said:
So the bit that is confusing me is if you attempted to pay it off as you said, why didn't you realise that there had been changes, or if you had, why did you not take some time to look at what you needed to do?
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I knew I was supposed to pay it off, it was my intention the moment I logged back in. I regret I couldn't have paid it immediately after the botched mission, but people do have stuff to do in real life. I exited the game after incurring the fine/bounty, came back next day, flew to the mission station (the mission was already active from the day before), was granted dock, was scanned (when I was inside the station already), was denied dock and they started shooting me immediately. I was killed in 4 seconds, nothing I could have done even if I wanted to.

Phisto Sobanii said:
Your docking computer betrayed you. Lulled you into a false sense of security and gave the coppers plenty of time to do their work.
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Yeah, pretty much.
 

War Eagle

War Eagle
Don't listen to the hatters of noobs, I had a similar thing happen to me- got the same access and even landed and went in to contacts to pay it...BOOM ended up at that jail system and had to rebuy my ship. It happens. Just remember to pay bounties in other systems not the one that issued it. To be frank I am still a little fuzzy on the whole thing.
 

galahad2069

G
Ian Skippy said:
They welcome you and have no information you are wanted. Later a cop scans you, they find out you are a wanted criminal and they attack you.
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Not necessarily. Maybe they welcomed him having no information on his wanted status. At the same time a cop who had already been scanning him for some time discovered that he was wanted, while the station was still chanting that confusing welcome message.

Why should he have thought that the "anonymous access" warning meant that his docking permission had been revoked? Normally you can see this warning in the station services interface, when you are clearly allowed to be there, since apparently no one has any problem with your sitting on the landing pod.

Ian Skippy said:
Of course, you can miss that bit when you alt+tab out of the game...
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Well I, for one, certainly have never alt-tabbed out of the game during the docking sequence, not even when I was clean, and TBH I don't even know how a docking computer might look like.

I'm not saying that what the OP did was free of any errors. But it's hard to deny that the game rarely comes out of its way to let new or returning players know what they can expect in certain situations. Most of the time these kind of information seem to be on display, you know, in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet, stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying "Beware of the Leopard". :)
 
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Demascus

Demascus
A station will murder you in a beluga filled with war refugees passangers and medical supplies for a parking ticket. Point being is that C&P is overly simplistic and frankly lazy in design.

Seeing how you can't even damage stations and planet side buildings outside of turrets and generators. Placing anything above a minor fine is silly.
 

babelfisch

babelfisch
Kaocraft said:
Frontier REALLY screwed up when they added "anonymous access", and the red "scales" icon; and then used them for both bounties AND fines.

Most players do not understand the distinction between bounties and fines, and this is 100% Frontier's fault. Doubly shameful after multiple iterations including a whole update to the "New Player Experience" which does NOTHING to make their C&P system legible.

Either look everything up ahead of time and commit the entire system to memory, or die.

I am by the way completely supportive of the overall design of the C&P overhaul, but boy did they botch the implementation (like they always do with UI/UX for some strange reason)
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I understood the difference between bounties and fines on day one. The clue is in the name.
 
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