I see around 35% FPS gain changing from EDO to EDH (on both main PC and laptop) in space. If this is going to translate equally in 4.0 Horizons, those who are just making 60 FPS in EDH are going to notice it, but I'd love to be proven wrong!
I agree with you on this one, It's a great free upgrade.
However, I think the main issue is that even with the Base Game and Horizons, people could still instance with each other in space/CQC. If they could have kept that level of instancing, I don't think they'd be this fuss. It's just for people who like CQC and Open Powerplay (Yes, there are still a few of us), we're going to have to agree on what platform to play on from now on and keep to it.
I think it also had to do with PEGI rating and the fact that if instancing together EDH players could have killed on foot EDO players from their ship (on airless planets), not to mention potential problems with multi crew, etc.
Hello @Bruce G ,
When the "update" to V 4.0 comes, does it include some bugfixes ?
Since Update 13 there are some new bugs, for excample this...
A big problem for me (and more than 40 other players):
After relogging after a finished a ground-cz to restart it again, we respawn in the station we last docked instead near the settlement.
This makes a lot people crazy, ;-) see here:
issues.frontierstore.net
Please have a look for it...
Thanks & o7
Nanjan
When the "update" to V 4.0 comes, does it include some bugfixes ?
Since Update 13 there are some new bugs, for excample this...
A big problem for me (and more than 40 other players):
After relogging after a finished a ground-cz to restart it again, we respawn in the station we last docked instead near the settlement.
This makes a lot people crazy, ;-) see here:
Issue Tracker
issues.frontierstore.net
Please have a look for it...
Thanks & o7
Nanjan
Thank god 3.8 is staying around. I'll stick to that version until Odyssey has Horizon's Star tinting, Star bloom effects, planetary volumetric fog effects, Canopy scratches and smears, better settlement performance, and improved planet tech.
I'm just saying, not obsessed with it as much as you specifically pointed it out.
That's actually not quite true in the sense that I always have conceded (and still do) that a percentage of the negative reviews were honest and that it was also true that Odyssey was not without cause to leave a negative review in an honest manner. I tried to delineate the two, some wanted to keep it fuzzy.. I wonder whyThe irony is that if I had bought Odyssey and then left a negative review (which is quite likely), you would be accusing me of review bombing, LOL. Be careful what you wish for
If Horizons 4.x players can't instance with Odyssey 4.x players, what is even the point?
Horizons 4.0 players can instance with Horizons 4.0 players?
fluff+new in-game fluff(such as proteus glowing planet which can only be observed, not interacted)+might make people buy odyssey due to the "spetacular new graphics"(AKA no AA in space, white light emitting from a red star, less fps and dull-looking planets)
To experience a bit more of the narrative that 3.8 will be locked out of?
I really like this idea, and from a marketing perspective this could convert a lot of people that are on the fence about buying Odyssey, by letting them lick the spatula, but not have the cake.
i have Ody, but i rather play Horizon because its more quality feeling than Odyssey.I have too many bad photo from Ody what prove my decision.If Ody dont get notable changes i probaly leave the game when 3.8 shut down.It's the same version, just with EDO content withheld. Think of it as the base game now. It, unlike 3.8, will get the new events, CGs, development, and people can then update to EDO very easily. So it's worth being on 4.0, and it's free for 3.8 owners.
Instancing quirks between 4.0 and EDO are probably a mix of historical PEGI restrictions and fdev desire to push horizons players on to the current version and upgrade.
I imagine a 3.8 player, put off by the negative response to EDO last year, thinking 3.8 is "better". So fdev give them a free upgrade to 4.0. They then try it, because why not, and shock horror it's actually good. Then a sale comes along and they upgrade to EDO for a pittance.
Sounds good to me
Originally, people were quite right to be upset about the original state of Odyssey. However, I don't think that anger is warranted anymore. For those moving from 3.8 to 4:0 There will be a painful period where you get used to the new 4.0 UI and its quirks (I.e the galaxy map not remembering your preferences bug) but after you get past that, I find I can't go back to 3.8 (Except when there was an issue with the Interstellar Factors).
However, one of the things still that gets me are some of the complaints about current Odyssey performance. It is obvious that the graphical engine has been upgraded with more modern technology, which requires better hardware. Fdev were unlucky because; -
a) covid -
b) the graphics card shortage.
Normally, most people would have upgraded their graphics card in the period between Odyssey and Horizons but this time the price of even the most basic card was out of reach (See superconductors and Bit coin miners), so people kept their original cards a lot longer.
Problem is on some of these cards, running Odyssey is like trying to run the remastered Halo or Mass Effect on the machine you originally ran the first version, you don't get the nice shinies. When DBOBE said he said you could run Odyssey on the same hardware that runs Horizons, I don't think it was made clear enough that you'd have to take a big detail hit in order to do it.
Still, for those of use who CQC and Powerplay, we'll all have to come some kind a agreement to use either 3.8 or 4.0 and stick with it, otherwise, we're going to lose even more of the community.
However, one of the things still that gets me are some of the complaints about current Odyssey performance. It is obvious that the graphical engine has been upgraded with more modern technology, which requires better hardware. Fdev were unlucky because; -
a) covid -
b) the graphics card shortage.
Normally, most people would have upgraded their graphics card in the period between Odyssey and Horizons but this time the price of even the most basic card was out of reach (See superconductors and Bit coin miners), so people kept their original cards a lot longer.
Problem is on some of these cards, running Odyssey is like trying to run the remastered Halo or Mass Effect on the machine you originally ran the first version, you don't get the nice shinies. When DBOBE said he said you could run Odyssey on the same hardware that runs Horizons, I don't think it was made clear enough that you'd have to take a big detail hit in order to do it.
Still, for those of use who CQC and Powerplay, we'll all have to come some kind a agreement to use either 3.8 or 4.0 and stick with it, otherwise, we're going to lose even more of the community.
My time in game: 1 year 7 months 30 days 13 hours 43 minutes
Elite has always been my favorite game .Lately, however, I've noticed that I have less and less desire to start the game.
The sluggish development lately and the many old bugs have caused the number of regular players to shrink.
I rarely meet friends in game anymore.
Some of the planets look terrible and there is no further development on them.
There are many points of criticism that can't be made up for with a half-baked story.
Further splitting the rest of the player community will not improve it.
I think it's a shame the path you took with my favorite game.
Now it remains to be hoped that there will be a few more surprises next year.
Elite has always been my favorite game .Lately, however, I've noticed that I have less and less desire to start the game.
The sluggish development lately and the many old bugs have caused the number of regular players to shrink.
I rarely meet friends in game anymore.
Some of the planets look terrible and there is no further development on them.
There are many points of criticism that can't be made up for with a half-baked story.
Further splitting the rest of the player community will not improve it.
I think it's a shame the path you took with my favorite game.
Now it remains to be hoped that there will be a few more surprises next year.
No on foot content as far as I understand. I don't think this is primarily intended as a way to convince people to buy Odyssey, rather than just letting base game owners follow the upcoming story to an extent.
Imho a missed opportunity to not let the 4.0 players play together however this might be doable.
My 2 Ct.
My 2 Ct.
I respectfully disagree. Odyssey's Framerate still fluctuates too much during settlement battles, especially large ones. I don't really think it's a GPU issue either. I have a 3700X with an RTX 2080 TI, my system should be killing it during those instances but it's not. There's a bottleneck somewhere in their new renderer, or perhaps they need to do more CPU optimizations somewhere. Apart from that, Odyssey runs fine in Space, on planet surfaces, and in Station interiors. Although, I wouldn't consider that an accomplishment. Those areas are mostly empty spaces, and they still lag behind Horizons in terms of performance. Especially for an expansion that hardly looks better than its previous version.
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So you can play the narrative that will only be available to players on 4.0, but of course if you don't care about that sure, stick with 3.8.