Modes 5 minutes in Open...

[frostypaw]

Damn there is now other versions of Open?

I've been flying in open for months (weeks in game time) and I've still got to encounter a murderer.

Yes. Each platform has it's own and your instancing will depend on your ping and other factors. Quite possible to fly open on a busy platform in busy places and see nobody - that's not what it is or how it works despite what some want.

It also means it's nothing to bro-pixel-flex about.

 

[Darkfyre99]

Damn there is now other versions of Open?

I've been flying in open for months (weeks in game time) and I've still got to encounter a murderer.

It really depends upon what time you play. When my work schedule was normal, and my play window was during prime time, attacks by GSPies (gank single players) were annoyingly frequent. I use the term "annoyingly" because most so-called "PvPers" who preferentially target PvE players are too incompetent to be a threat to an adequately prepared and skilled player.

When my work schedule shifted to 5AM, even potential GSPies are so rare, if I'm in the right mood, I'll sometimes pretend I don't know what I'm doing, in the vague hope that someone will take the bait. I say vague, because I've only had one interdiction attempt that wasn't due to me "inspecting shields" at a CG.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Honestly..without even reading this or any of the replies...can i just take a guess at what this contains and what the general consensus is?

TLDR: He got blown up. In a video game where you can blow up ships.
The response: 50/50 One half saying duh...the other half are sorry with bleeding hearts.

If im wrong...awesome. Maybe theres hope.
If im right... my life.

You're wrong. 30% about Ayn Rand and how lovely it would be if there were no such thing as economists, 20% about 'staches.

 

[olorin]

Honestly..without even reading this or any of the replies...can i just take a guess at what this contains and what the general consensus is?

TLDR: He got blown up. In a video game where you can blow up ships.
The response: 50/50 One half saying duh...the other half are sorry with bleeding hearts.

If im wrong...awesome. Maybe theres hope.
If im right... my life.

Just read and you will know what it's all about.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

lol

He's right though.

Since when do two wrongs make a right [...]?

In this case they do. The one betraying the trust of the CMDR managing the private group will be barred from the group, The target will log on again to what the situation should have been before the one who betrayed the trust of the CMDR managing the private group betrayed the trust of the CMDR managing the private group.

2 wrongs, the result being a right.

 

[olorin]

He's right though.

Not answering to the points I made, but instead attacking my language and making malign assumptions about my motives is not against my person?
Even if he is right in his assumptions, it's still an ad hominem attack.

 

[jasonbarron]

I fully agree!

As for the fact! that people are driven into a**hole free environments: I started playing again 3 weeks ago and picked up some of my very few friendships here.
Two of them are gone where they can PLAY this GAME and won't have it get ruined by sick minded wannabees with no idea how much the revival of this game means to enthusiasts.
The original was single player anyways, so !
To the defenders of this questionable attitude:
Is this sh*t helping anyone, the seal clubbing and you defending it?
Or are you of this kind?

He's right though.

In this case they do. The one betraying the trust of the CMDR managing the private group will be barred from the group, The target will log on again to what the situation should have been before the one who betrayed the trust of the CMDR managing the private group betrayed the trust of the CMDR managing the private group.

2 wrongs, the result being a right.

The post quoted above yours is the one I felt crossed the line of good taste and called him out on and ended up with people accusing me of ad hominems attacks and being "unsympathetic." Unless I'm being particularly dense, I'm not seeing anything about players invading a PG being the reason, but only a generic rant about being blown up by dirty pejorative expletive pejorative <redacted> with nothing but some rather ugly feelings to back it up.

Edit: @Mouse, honorable mention for justifying clogging a few posts above

 

[olorin]

As a reminder, here's the OP

For the first time in over two years I play in open with my main account...

Very first supercruise. Interdicted by a ferdelance whom shall remain unnamed.
I had no cargo, was in a lightly fitted asp.
No chat, no RP just instant death with beams and PA.
went from 4km to about 500m distance less than 10 seconds, so super engineered.

luckly less than 1m rebuy.

5 minutes.

Real Nice.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Not answering to the points I made, but instead attacking my language and making malign assumptions about my motives is not against my person?
Even if he is right in his assumptions, it's still an ad hominem attack.

No, because he didn't try discredit the argument you were making in the process.

An ad hominem is targeted towards the argument, not the poster. "You are out of line, so what you're saying is wrong", would have been an Ad Hominem

The post quoted above yours is the one I felt crossed the line of good taste and called him out on and ended up with people accusing me of ad hominems attacks and being "unsympathetic."

I know. And being the pedantic pillock I am, I am disagreeing it's an Ad Hominem.

And noticing how 2 wrongs do make a right in the particular case I quoted..

 

[jasonbarron]

As a reminder, here's the OP

The OP is a triple Elite CMDR who by all lights should have been more than capable of defending himself. If his march to triple E status didn't include player on player contact he just got a very cheap lesson, one that he was obviously trawling for in the first place. Instead of being a defeatist, woe is me I couldn't help it! victim mentality self pitying player, he could have easily just shrugged it off as a learning experience and made plans on how to avoid it in the future.

In no way shape or form is he a "seal."

 

[Sylveria]

2 wrongs do make a right

2 wrongs don't make a right... but 3 rights make a left.

 

[olorin]

No, because he didn't try discredit the argument you were making in the process.

An ad hominem is targeted towards the argument, not the poster. "You are out of line, so what you're saying is wrong", would have been an Ad Hominem

Latin 'ad hominem' : against the person (man)
ad hominem as a logical fallacy: attacking the person, not the points being made

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Latin 'ad hominem' : against the person (man)
ad hominem as a logical fallacy: attacking the person, not the points being made

With the intent of discrediting the point being made.

edit: what was the point being made by the way? Reading back it escapes me

 

[Tiny_Rick]

2 wrongs don't make a right... but 3 rights make a left.

Only on the X plane!

 

[olorin]

With the intent of discrediting the point being made.

and earlier:
"No, because he didn't try discredit the argument you were making in the process."

???

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

and earlier:
"No, because he didn't try discredit the argument you were making in the process."

???

That quote referred to J.B's post. Where he did not try to discredit the argument, but merely commented on the delivery.
The other referred to the definition of Ad Hominem. Which states that the intent to discredit the argument needs to be present.

edit: I think I hear the gentle hooves of a ticked off blue unicorn approaching, so I think it's sensible if I drop the argument. I call it the Argument Ad Self Preservation.

 

[jasonbarron]

Before this thread I always thought an ad hominem was a kind of sandwich.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

If you repeat something often enough, it might as well be. But I think you're confused with the Ad Nomnomnominem

 

[Sylveria]

If you repeat something often enough, it might as well be. But I think you're confused with the Ad Nomnomnominem

Ad nomnomnomnominem tends to be rather too salty for my tastes.

 

[S3B4ST13N]

Before this thread I always thought an ad hominem was a kind of sandwich.

That's an Add Ham 'N Mmmm