7 days of war is WAY too long...

[Ryan Murdoc]

I am not scared of the bgs changes, but even with the bugs fixed, I am bored of it already.
No more strategy, no more subtly, as stated quite sustinctly earlier, just 'smash'

I can't see who these changes are supposed to benefit, large and small alike are disadvantaged. The changes are hardly likely to attract anyone with a different game style.

So far, no disadvantages to be seen or felt here. Curiosity for the new System, eager to test it out, find out how it works (or supposed to work), convert that found knowledge to maintain stability, set sights on new Systems.

Sorry if you're bored, I'm the exact opposite.

 

[Aashenfox]

So to understand that correctly:

You're complaining about the BGS changes although you have no Minor faction - either adopted or inserted by FD for your Wing. You simply complain because the 10 days the new conflicts take are too long because in the old System you could slam opponents that didn't put up enough of a fight in...moment, 3 days pending plus 4 days minimum duration = 7 days.

You do know that both War and Civil War had a estimated maximum runtime of up to 28 days and Elections 14, now all being shortened to a number lower then any of that is a improvement in my book.

There are no guaranteed wins anymore by slamming down the % of the opposition by killing Security etc. before armed conflicts go live. You have to stay in the CZ and fight at least for 5 days straight and win to make a difference if you're faced with opposition.

Sounds fair in my book.

Erm...everything you wrote is based on either an assumption on your part about me that is incorrect, or an incorrect assumption about how I expect things to work. You haven't told me a single thing I didn't know, haven't addressed what I wrote in the OP, and if you think a war EVER went on 28 days with at least one interested party, you must be off your head. Our wars were fought and won (haven't lost yet ) in 3 or 4 days at the most, and that was perfect.

 

[Aashenfox]

So far, no disadvantages to be seen or felt here. Curiosity for the new System, eager to test it out, find out how it works (or supposed to work), convert that found knowledge to maintain stability, set sights on new Systems.

Sorry if you're bored, I'm the exact opposite.

When you DO figure out how busted it is, come join us complaining about it, it brings a certain camaraderie

 

[Ryan Murdoc]

Erm...everything you wrote is based on either an assumption on your part about me that is incorrect, or an incorrect assumption about how I expect things to work. You haven't told me a single thing I didn't know, haven't addressed what I wrote in the OP, and if you think a war EVER went on 28 days with at least one interested party, you must be off your head. Our wars were fought and won (haven't lost yet ) in 3 or 4 days at the most, and that was perfect.

I addressed your complains in my first response, in case you didn't read that one.

Estimated maximum runtime ment without interference, if anyone participates then it's shorter. No debate there. And it always were at least 4 days from the moment it went live until it poofed.

When you DO figure out how busted it is, come join us complaining about it, it brings a certain camaraderie

You must be playing another Elite, or simply have a different (and probably more narrowed) view on the matter. Point still stands that complaining about something that has been introduced 10 days ago and is constantly altered / improved just shows you're not willing to adapt and learn new strategies or simply accept that things don't work anymore as they did.

 

[Aashenfox]

I addressed your complains in my first response, in case you didn't read that one.

Estimated maximum runtime ment without interference, if anyone participates then it's shorter. No debate there. And it always were at least 4 days from the moment it went live until it poofed.



You must be playing another Elite, or simply have a different (and probably more narrowed) view on the matter. Point still stands that complaining about something that has been introduced 10 days ago and is constantly altered / improved just shows you're not willing to adapt and learn new strategies or simply accept that things don't work anymore as they did.

Or...I can complain and ask for it back the way it was along with the rest of the broken stuff. Yep, that was definitely the option I went for, your judgmnet of me for that, being irrelevant of course. I pays my money, I contributes heavily to the forum (usually positively, lol), and I earned my lip rights. The fact that you clearly don't get the difference between something working as intended, being broken, or being changed, is also really, neither here nor there for me. This thread is not aimed at people who are happy. It is you who decided to come here and inject your point of view over mine, not the other way around.

 

[Dommarraa]

I addressed your complains in my first response, in case you didn't read that one.

Estimated maximum runtime ment without interference, if anyone participates then it's shorter. No debate there. And it always were at least 4 days from the moment it went live until it poofed.



You must be playing another Elite, or simply have a different (and probably more narrowed) view on the matter. Point still stands that complaining about something that has been introduced 10 days ago and is constantly altered / improved just shows you're not willing to adapt and learn new strategies or simply accept that things don't work anymore as they did.

The most disturbing thing here is that you have me agreeing with aashenfox. The fact that we agree speaks volumes.

 

[Aashenfox]

See! See! There's that camaraderie I was on about! Cheers Domm.

 

[Ryan Murdoc]

Or...I can complain and ask for it back the way it was along with the rest of the broken stuff. Yep, that was definitely the option I went for, your judgmnet of me for that, being irrelevant of course.

It is indeed irrelevant. I'll think of you as I see fit, and vice versa.

I pays my money, I contributes heavily to the forum (usually positively, lol), and I earned my lip rights.

Everyone playing this game paid money one way or another. The problem is that you and others have the misconception in your head that buying this game means you're entitled to literally anything regarding it, including the brazen idea to demand things from FD.

Unless you're having the size of for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent who bought almost 9% of FD stocks for around 17.7mil pounds in July this year. Then we're getting to the financial range of telling someone how you want things to be. Check https://frontier-drupal.s3-eu-west-...ess-releases/financial/annual-report-2018.pdf for more details.

This thread is not aimed at people who are happy. It is you who decided to come here and inject your point of view over mine, not the other way around.

I came here like anyone else is allowed to and post my point of view, which is obviously contrary to yours. And sorry that you can't stand happy people, doesn't mean we're not allowed to post on your thread that you started.

Which could lead me to another sentence about Entitlement but I'm done discussing here and instead use my time in a more practical manner.

Like, playing Elite.

 

[Dommarraa]

You seem excited by the changes, but havnt put forward a single improvement over the old system.

Any I can see are extremely marginal, and then only if my rose coloured glasses are on. OTOH I see lots of enjoyment that has been removed (strategy), and everything else that was fun, dragged out, slowed down, and general made less exciting.

 

[Ryan Murdoc]

You seem excited by the changes, but havnt put forward a single improvement over the old system.

Any I can see are extremely marginal, and then only if my rose coloured glasses are on. OTOH I see lots of enjoyment that has been removed (strategy), and everything else that was fun, dragged out, slowed down, and general made less exciting.

Improvements over the old System?

No more One State in all System, instead all Systems for themselves. Translates to not needing to pay attention if you have any armed conflict going on in a useless System and instead focus on where it matters.

MF locking with each other and taking their % out of the total pool for each System. Meaning no fear of going overboard with % and thus preventing unwanted Expansions for at least 10 days. Or lock your MF in a Election (if possible due to government type) and be safe from getting messed with for the same amount of time.

Just two examples, but considering your previous posts this won't find your approval.

 

[Aashenfox]

It is indeed irrelevant. I'll think of you as I see fit, and vice versa.



Everyone playing this game paid money one way or another. The problem is that you and others have the misconception in your head that buying this game means you're entitled to literally anything regarding it, including the brazen idea to demand things from FD.

Unless you're having the size of for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent who bought almost 9% of FD stocks for around 17.7mil pounds in July this year. Then we're getting to the financial range of telling someone how you want things to be. Check https://frontier-drupal.s3-eu-west-...ess-releases/financial/annual-report-2018.pdf for more details.



I came here like anyone else is allowed to and post my point of view, which is obviously contrary to yours. And sorry that you can't stand happy people, doesn't mean we're not allowed to post on your thread that you started.

Which could lead me to another sentence about Entitlement but I'm done discussing here and instead use my time in a more practical manner.

Like, playing Elite.

lol, you are a card, how you manage to flip things around on people. I never said you couldn't have an opinion, you were the one complaining about me posting mine. I'm done with you now, thanks, bye (blocked).

 

[Ryan Murdoc]

 

[glojo]

Far be it for me to gossip and yes I hate this bug ridden update BUT.......

Who says you have to fight for seven days?

YES, the war will last for seven days but are you speaking from experience that you HAVE TO FIGHT for seven days?

The short answer is you are not talking from experience.

The fact is that we or you have to win the war in your system. It might be that you want to leave it completely alone for the first three or four days.

IF, if no one jumps into that war and fights for the opposing side, the war will hover at a draw!!

Yes we have done this and yes this is our experience.

ALWAYS check your faction status, do this each day.

I say again though... I hate this stupid bug ridden update and YES, it might work perfectly for some folks, but that means too-diley spit

 

[the100thmonkey]

^ He's right.

You only actually need to win one day of the conflict to win it. It takes too long, and you have to watch the conflict report carefully to make sure that you don't get sniped, but it is actually quite possible to win with only one combat bond. The problem is that you can get sniped, which, based on the comments from the stream, means that you actually need to win five days to be sure. That still might only be five bonds though!

 

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[ebbrell]

Nah not too long, if you smash in first few days, no need to fight for all 7. Plus you get chance to catch up if you are losing.
7 days give people stuck in work time to contribute on days they can.

Personally I m loving the new CZs
And you can feel the difference in low,med and high.

I now have to reload ammo sometimes twice in a single CZ due to the NPCs being better, tougher. It's really goood

 

[Mangal Oemie]

It is way too early to tell whether the changes are for the better, because a lot of it doesn't work well, so it would be good to withhold judgment until things have stabilized a bit. I reckon there's a lot of promise in the new mechanics so far, and we were having fun juggling 15-17 conflicts at the same time, just for one faction, and trying to figure out how things might work and how things are supposed to work.

We are a bit concerned now that 8 of these conflicts haven't ended when they should, and another two are in 4th day of pending elections, and that doesn't seem right. But with the possibility of multi-front conflicts, and perhaps choosing which one to fight now, and which to recover later, 3.3 BGS will bring plenty of strategy in.

 

[Adept Geraden]

It is way too early to tell whether the changes are for the better, because a lot of it doesn't work well, so it would be good to withhold judgment until things have stabilized a bit. I reckon there's a lot of promise in the new mechanics so far, and we were having fun juggling 15-17 conflicts at the same time, just for one faction, and trying to figure out how things might work and how things are supposed to work.

We are a bit concerned now that 8 of these conflicts haven't ended when they should, and another two are in 4th day of pending elections, and that doesn't seem right. But with the possibility of multi-front conflicts, and perhaps choosing which one to fight now, and which to recover later, 3.3 BGS will bring plenty of strategy in.

I believe the BGS tick skipped a beat, and missed updating conflicts one day.

 

[Mangal Oemie]

Indeed. Have a look here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...licts-in-BGS?p=7284504&viewfull=1#post7284504 I have that skipped tick calculated in.

 

[Aashenfox]

^ He's right.

You only actually need to win one day of the conflict to win it. It takes too long, and you have to watch the conflict report carefully to make sure that you don't get sniped, but it is actually quite possible to win with only one combat bond. The problem is that you can get sniped, which, based on the comments from the stream, means that you actually need to win five days to be sure. That still might only be five bonds though!

Apparently from what I'm hearing today he/she might not be. Even winning a whole day, and having no opposition does not guarantee a win according to some reports I'm hearing. We also have some figures for points per various transaction, but I'm not reposting it yet in case it's secret or wrong (I doubt it's either at this point).