A great post about Balance (from reddit)

[LN]

The discussion was intended to discuss flaws within the game, but discussing marketing slogans doesnt help with anything

Yes, indeed, I edited my post prior to your post, wasn't pointing fingers.

But somewhere halfway this page someone said that the slogan didn't match the product and that it was presented in a certain way. You know.

I'm all in for more "management options", Adding things to keep the players occupied with other things than building is a good thing.

 

[breezerHOG1]

Yea "that guy" sure complains a lot, even about things that dont need to be complained about lol

I wish people would just discuss what they think could improve the game without argueing, obviously everybodys got different opinions but IMO management comes up a lot as something that PC is lacking, hopefully the new scenario editor will help with that though [up]

 

[mr.sugar]

Yea "that guy" sure complains a lot, even about things that dont need to be complained about lolI wish people would just discuss what they think could improve the game without argueing, obviously everybodys got different opinions but IMO management comes up a lot as something that PC is lacking, hopefully the new scenario editor will help with that though [up]

You try to point at me (very likely). Then I recommend to read through this all again.

 

[breezerHOG1]

You try to point at me (very likely). Then I recommend to read through this all again.

are you suggesting anything for the game? oh you want better slogans, ok got it

Where is it said this game is "construction game"? This game is officialy "strategic simulation"Also, please read the description of the game before telling me this game is not about management. It has huge bold paragraph just for management....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Coaster

Planet Coaster is a construction and management simulation video game developed and published by Frontier Developments for Microsoft Windows and is available on Steam. Planet Coaster was released worldwide on 17 November 2016. Frontier had previously worked in the construction and management genre with RollerCoaster Tycoon 3, of which Planet Coaster is a spiritual successor.

construction obviously comes before management

 

[LN]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Coaster

Sorry to interupt, But the Steam page says Strategy / Simulation. Not sure if that is the way Steam advertises it or Frontier.

And not everything is complaining. I don't see it that way. But there is always a reasonable explanation why somebody thinks in a certain way about certain things. Just like you do.
There is nothing wrong with that. That's how they got to the moon. Keep asking questions and question every action you make.

 

[breezerHOG1]

Sorry to interupt, But the Steam page says Strategy / Simulation. Not sure if that is the way Steam advertises it or Frontier.

Ah so your right! lol... well isnt any game a simulation and strategy game? Even tetris is simulating something with a strategic element... what exactly does that mean? Thats why we shouldnt argue over the marketing slogans

the devs have also said things like "management matters" and "everything you do has an impact" so thats why I just try to stick to discussing actual suggestions

instead of saying something sucks (like the licensed DLCs) I just say I wish it offered more

 

[LN]

Ah so your right! lol... well isnt any game a simulation and strategy game? Even tetris is simulating something with a strategic element... what exactly does that mean? Thats why we shouldnt argue over the marketing slogans

Exactly. Take the game the way it is and improve on that.
What's been done is done. I won't get a refund but still have a saying in what might come next for the game.
Just as much as everybody else on this forum. [up]

 

[hos]

Yes, but then people come here and say that we have bought wrong game and that these things are mostly something we shouldn´t even have expected from this game. Of course discussion will turn this way then.I think the Reddit post is spot on, is sort of what I expect from this game. Not from the very first days, but I hoped it will take at least direction to sort part of these problems. But I can see they took completely different route.

if you just get the answers you like to hear, then it's not a discussion. then there would be no need for discussion either.

i didn't say you bought the wrong game or even more that you shouldn't even try to play it. it's also not the case that i personally wouldn't like to see deeper strategic aspects in this game as well.

it's just that imho the strategy part is not the milk, or better said the most basic underlying entertainment purpose of this game, as the OP in reddit stated. the simulation part is it.

 

[breezerHOG1]

it's just that imho the strategy part is not the milk, or better said the most basic underlying entertainment purpose of this game.

I didn't mean for people to get caught up on this, I just thought it sounded hilarious when I read the words "Milk Matters! Pouring Evolved" I was not trying to get into a debate about food here... all I was saying was that overall the post from reddit has many many good suggestions, and its not only about management, its about BALANCE like I titled this thread [wink]

 

[mr.sugar]

It's nice you guys try so hard to protect frontier from... What... Truth? You Even try to start what is strategy, what is simulation... Can't you just get over it that PC is weak in the management as etc, while it's part of it and always have?

Ps: Wikipedia is not official source, steam page is And is entirely managed by Frontier.

The problem is you guys always bash negative feedback the way you do, eg:
1. The game is not supposed to be actual management game

2. Game is perfectly optimized, because it can't be done any better.

And I could keep going and going. Such an army of fan boys was also seen on rctw and see where it ended up. Telling Frontier this is all fine will never improve the game.

 

[breezerHOG1]

MrSugar, do you have anything that you would like to suggest on how to improve the game??

The problem is you guys always bash negative feedback the way you do, eg:
1. The game is not supposed to be actual management game

2. Game is perfectly optimized, because it can't be done any better.

Maybe you could write up a nice neat couple of paragraphs and start a new thread with your suggestions, and I would gladly read them and respond

 

[hos]

It's nice you guys try so hard to protect frontier from... What... Truth?

hehe, meet me in a discussion about GUI and the editing tools and game handling. as different the approaches how to play this game are, as different are the flaws you meet.

so. ehm. main question it seems to be what kind of game PC finally is.

has it a pure and clean classification? i don't think so.
has it a clear direction? yes, and imho it's not "strategy game" even if it's a substantial aspect for some.

that said, i don't bash the feedback about the lacks in management/strategy (i rather agreed to that feedback), and i don't want to protect Frontier either. i just think that the management/strategy flaws aren't the ones to have a prior focus on because i don't agree that this is the main thing/flaw/feature/milk/teaser in this game.

 

[LN]

2. Game is perfectly optimized, because it can't be done any better.

This is from a personal perspective. From what I know and see, the game feels optimized. And many feel the same.
If there can be any improvements is hard for me to say because I am no dev, but my mid-end machine tells me it's "optimized".

And I am not defending Frontier in any way. I don't have shares so why would I.

I am happy with what we have but I also would like to see some improvements.

 

[breezerHOG1]

My computer is barely able to run the game, but I honestly think the game used to run better. I don't know though, obviously other people run it fine. I just hope that in a couple years we have faster CPUs and can make even bigger parks!

 

[seeker939]

Everyone talking about optimization, few people know what it actually means. No one can tell if there is room for more optimization except the devs.

To optimize a game means to make sure the calculations are done in the most efficient way. Even if you do this the game might still be slow, especially if there is a lot that needs to be calculated. So 'optimized' doesn't mean a game is fast, it's just not quite as slow as it would be had it not been optimized.

 

[widlanquebec]

Is it a construction game? A management game? Both of it? We can understand marketing is so many ways. One thing for sure, I buy the early bird hoping for more interesting gameplay than previous iteration and to feel that my decisions matter in the game. Unfortunately, I don't have this feeling.

I don't talk about ambiance and visual side neither of limitless creativity, but really about how things fits together. Unfortunately, there's so many things to adjust in gameplay that I don't really care about new rides or scenery for the moment. Is there enough people care about this side of gameplay, I don't know... I just give my personal opinion.

One thing for sure, the devs are so silent about what they're working on (yeah I get it that they don't want to take chance to talk about something and not be able to put it in the game). I don't know if devs care enough about management to really change thing, because they don't talk a lot about what's next. For me, it's just boring for the moment. I'm sad to not be hook more by this game because it has so much potential and amazing ambiance...

I'll see in future updates and hope for the best. If not, good for creative people and bad for me... that's it. But I try to keep hope it will not be the case [happy]

 

[mr.sugar]

My feedback was already posted into several threads and not only by me. Enough was said already (long time ago), now it´s Frontiers turn to take next steps. So far, I´m not optimistic about the future (there is a future for PC, depends on what it is exactly).I´m also a bit sad and honestly tired that discussions here are rly hard, because people here start arguing about what is actually strategy game? What is optimization? These definitions are clear. This forum sometimes reminds me a philosophy session.As for what the game is, it is Management and strategy game, nothing else. Everything else is coming from the community and is not official. "A strategy game or strategic game is a game (e.g. video or board game) in which the players' uncoerced, and often autonomous decision-making skills have a high significance in determining the outcome. Almost all strategy games require internal decision tree style thinking, and typically very high situational awareness."Planet coaser, RCT games were always meant to be strategy games and they always were. If anything, Theme Park studio can be called real construction game, not Planet Coaster.Whatever you personally agree or not, there is a lot of people who (rightfully) expected this to be a game with management.... Some feedback in this reddit seems to go too much indepth, but some of it is entirely valid. The fact is this game needs Balancing and smaller additions to become more playable. Not big features that will not work out well anyway, because the core of the game is yet a bit unstable. Just pricing adjustments and some guest behaviour changes could do a magic with this game. Shame these changes are probably not on the top priority list...

 

[Joël]

My feedback was already posted into several threads and not only by me. Enough was said already (long time ago), now it´s Frontiers turn to take next steps. So far, I´m not optimistic about the future (there is a future for PC, depends on what it is exactly).I´m also a bit sad and honestly tired that discussions here are rly hard, because people here start arguing about what is actually strategy game? What is optimization? These definitions are clear. This forum sometimes reminds me a philosophy session.

These definitions might be clear, but some people are having difficulties in understanding what they actually mean. One of the reasons why discussions sometimes tend to get a bit hard.

 

[En Anu]

I also disagree with this. When I buy the early bird, it's why marketing said "create, manage, share" and simulation evolved. I was thinking that is has to do with gameplay and management. As it's right now, it's now obvious that the main target is not this side of the game, but the management is described as integral part of the game. So, it's not because I buy a product without reading the description, it's just because it was low par on this level.

It's all about the wording because they use 'evolved' this covers them big time.

So have customers been duped, difficult one as most of us have a degree of optimism and give the other the benefit of doubt, I too was hoping it would be an all round simulation game, so my bias, for enthusiasm and my right hemisphere going into overdrive for a better game, duped me in to buying PC so therefore I should be more critical of my own lack of wisdom with regard to the notion of PC being a great roller coaster simulation game!

 

[mr.sugar]

Frontier always meant this as spiritual successor for RCT. Management and strategy elemets were always part of this game and they promoted the game everything will be taken to the next level. It´s there, there is management, however it´s implementations and balance is somewhere halfway through.

If anyone says this game is mainly about building parks, only becuase it has some advanced features in this regards doesn´t mean it was meant to be a freeform game. If it was the case, they wouldn´t bother with management side of the game at all. It is clear they spent a lot of time on management and simulation aspect, it didn´t turned out to be polished and finished in the end.