Hey monkey. Thanks for the offer but we got things wrapped up on today's tick!
A Guide to Minor Factions and the Background Sim
- Thread starter Walt Kerman
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Hey monkey. Thanks for the offer but we got things wrapped up on today's tick!
Oh.
I guess the video was a couple of days old then.
Never mind, I'll just keep plugging away then.
dynamicbob
Banned
care to expand on that expansionist statement / theory, is it just the highest influence system that is chosen from the minor faction to expand from, if so a faction could expand across a large area fairly quickly
Just to make sure im not misintepreting what your saying here, I'll clarify my earlier point.
System A has Fac A and B in conflict.
System B has Fac A in a None state.
Doing missions of any variety for Fac A in System B WILL NOT INCREASE its Influence % in System B. The current conflict in system A precludes this.
I've tested this, a friend has tested it yesterday and it was mentioned here before.
All in systems where we are the sole traffic.
Worse part is, you can smash a Faction in a system where it is None state but in conflict elsewhere. 40% in 3 days is easily achieveable.
dynamicbob
Banned
Any word yet on if 2.2 will introduce any passanger or tourism related states into the background simulation ?
As a single player, I was expanding and controlling on average 1 system a month. I don't think that is excessive, and it was becoming harder to maintain with each expansion.
And now, expanding into a system with 4 factions already, just means your going to be tied into CW/W/E almost constantly due to the spread of the %'s. Especially as when your conducting that conflict, your disabled from anything in any other system where you could in theory be hammered in every case. 1 conflict and you lose control of 5 or 6 at once! You may still have 'control' but in reality your influence will be so low, you'll be engaging in another conflict in another system pretty soon to raise yourself out.
I just feel the balance has been swung way to far the other way now.
Has anyone tested whether giving valuable cargo to a pirate faction has any noticable effect on the faction's influence?
I think were actually on the same page here, kinda! Focusing solely on missions is missing part of the picture.
Normal (trade/delivery etc) missions that would have an effect during a null state will not have an effect across the faction during wartime. Only combat related activities (e.g. cashing combat bonds) still have an effect across the faction during wartime.
So it is not correct to say that a factions influence cannot be increased elsewhere, it is just far more difficult. I do agree however that this factionwide effect can be too punishing and probably requires a tweak or rethink.
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I don't recall anything specific on this. But you would imagine that passenger missions will have a similar BGS effect to regular missions unless FD have something up their sleeves.
Lots of new workers or high rolling tourists could aid booms state for instance, but this is speculation.
I'm sure I did this at some point also, fighting in the War system, cashing in elsewhere and it made no difference but I will test again soon as I have conflict coming again.
Would be very interesting to see the results, but it is a difficult one to assess cleanly unless its a zero traffic system.
I can't see how to locate this, and it may be somewhere in these 270+ pages of posts, but how do CGs affect the BGS?
And do things like the Sothis/Ceos runs completely screw up the BGS in those systems? Aren't they so out of whack due to how many players use(abuse) their existence that there's no real semblance of faction interplay in those systems and the ones nearby?
And do things like the Sothis/Ceos runs completely screw up the BGS in those systems? Aren't they so out of whack due to how many players use(abuse) their existence that there's no real semblance of faction interplay in those systems and the ones nearby?
Javert
Volunteer Moderator
As far as I know, CGs don't directly affect the BGS in any special way, but obviously they will draw large numbers of commanders to the system, so whatever those commanders do in order to progress the CG will affect the BGS as normal.
So if a CG asks for billions of tons of gold at a certain station, you can expect masses of gold to be sold at that station with all the normal effects that this would have.
I'm looking for a little clarification on Retreat. My understanding is that the active phase is 3 days and the retreating faction has to remain under 2.5%, but I'm not sure how many days countdown there is for retreat and do they have to remain below the 2.5% threshold for the countdown period also?
The weekly Galnet articles still have some useful info
https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/57c956af9657bafd09e2bc1b
The pending period for retreat is 1 day before it goes active. Simply keep the faction under 2.5% and it will retreat after 5 days.
Systems hosting a CG often end up being seriously effected by the CG. A smuggling CG will almost always cause a system to change ownership. A trade CG will usualy cause boom, and often expansion. Bountyhiunting CGs aren't so good for many of teh factiosn in a system. Rare goods CGs often push the source system into expansion as well as the destination.
It's not just CGs. I've been involved in canpaigns to change the ownership of a system, and due to several players running a large number of missions, all the nearby systems have ended up in civil unrest, lockdown or conflict.
I guess that Sothis, Ceos and Robigo are pretty messed up systems.
As has already been said, no direct link but indirectly huge potential for changes.
A recent CG took place near me, and the fallout took almost 3 weeks to clear up as people were still collecting there rewards and so were doing missions in places too, affecting the BGS.
Anybody running a faction on the BGS probably has 'CG Aversion', symptoms similar to the Plague in it start with cold sweats when a Thursday comes round and developes into violent vommiting when you find its near your systems. Time is your only cure, or death.
Thanks! That's what I suspected. Might be time to move to another system then.
A CG could be used as a weapon for or against a particular faction. Hopefully FD are paying attention to the CGs that they are setting up for players. They do ask the factions directly involved in the CGs, but may not know about other factions in the area that would be affected.
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I think it's been proven that it makes no difference what system is expanded into. Pity really, as it would be nice to be able to have some influence.
It's a shame, really. Another question: As far as I know, an expansion costs 15% influence in the expanding system. Does this drop happen when the expansion triggers (so you'd know early from which system you're going to expand) or does it happen at the end, along with the expansion itself?