A Guide to Minor Factions and the Background Sim

oRZACK · Apr 10, 2017

hi guys
i have a question....

it its possible a doble thick with aprox 30 minutes of difference that moves the faction influence?

because yesterday happened that in the sistem i am living....

the issue is the next.... 14:30 game time aprox come the day thick and moves the influence of mi subfaction in a 3 % down. we were at 29 and falls to 26%, but half and hour later comes another thick and we drop from 26% to 4 .... i read that there is one on a day not two ....

so i need help to understand what happened

Schlack · Apr 10, 2017

States change before influence does. Some occasional weirdness has been noted early in the tick as if all the calculations have not been worked through. Its not a double tick, rather it appears to be an incomplete tick that then completes.

Sentenza · Apr 10, 2017

Schlack said:
States change before influence does. Some occasional weirdness has been noted early in the tick as if all the calculations have not been worked through. Its not a double tick, rather it appears to be an incomplete tick that then completes.

Yes I notice that every day, values change two times in succession.

CMDR-AD · Apr 10, 2017

I have a question regarding bounty hunting with the aim of lowering a controlling faction's influence. From the first page:

Bounty Hunting – By turning bounties into a station owned by your faction, you can increase a faction's influence and “security”. You can technically turn your bounties in at any station or outpost in a system that has influence, but it is recommended that you turn in your bounties to stations or outposts owned by the faction you are trying to support. Back in 1.2 we proved that turning in your bounties to a station owned by a different faction helped the station owner more than the faction that was paying you in the contact tab. This may have changed since 1.2 but better safe than sorry.

Ok, so far I've been turning in my bounty claims at the main station, which is controlled by the faction I am working against (but my preferred local faction does have a presence there). There is only one outpost in-system where my preferred faction does have control, so I'd do better to turn in my bounties there going forward.

But what if my faction loses control of that last outpost? My faction does control stations in a couple other systems (outside their own home system), but I doubt that turning in the bounties outside the system where I am trying to get the influence to sway would be helpful?

Starwolfe · Apr 10, 2017

Bounties only affect the influence in the system they are turned in normally.

Redeeming them in another system will help influence there when applicable.

When using a Low-Sec Interstellar contact or "sin dealer" you do not affect influence anywhere.

The reason they recommend using your own faction's ports is because Superpower bounties like Federation, Alliance or Empire boost the owner of the station they are turned in at, while specific Minor Faction bounties help the specific minor faction.

raeat · Apr 10, 2017

Is it confirmed that the only missions that influence Wars/Civil Wars are the Massacre missions? Or can other combat missions as well, like assassinations or surface scan missions?

MottiKhan · Apr 10, 2017

raeat said:
Is it confirmed that the only missions that influence Wars/Civil Wars are the Massacre missions? Or can other combat missions as well, like assassinations or surface scan missions?

Missions don't contribute to influence during war/civil war. Combat actions do,but not missions.

From the first post in this thread...

Limoncello Lizard · Apr 10, 2017

MottiKhan said:
Missions don't contribute to influence during war/civil war. Combat actions do,but not missions.

I'm not certain about assassination missions. I doubt they count during an election, but I suspect they do during a war or civil war.

Starwolfe · Apr 10, 2017

I have tried every type of "Combat" Mission. Nothing counts anymore...

Only Bonds in the system in conflict, and Bounties everywhere.

Crossing my fingers for some tweaks in 2.3, but I doubt it'll come.

ShimEnki · Apr 10, 2017

Say your preferred MF has control of the main station and has a huge lead in influence in the other stations but not control.

Can one increase their influence past a certain % to trigger war or do you have to slave for the other faction to increase theirs and lower yours to trigger that war?

I have noticed that in the bounty hunt report it registers number of kills and overall payouts -but not transactions/hand ins. Is it transactions, kills or overall payouts that effect the lockdown bucket?

Starwolfe · Apr 10, 2017

ShimEnki said:
Say your preferred MF has control of the main station and has a huge lead in influence in the other stations but not control.

Can one increase their influence past a certain % to trigger war or do you have to slave for the other faction to increase theirs and lower yours to trigger that war?

I have noticed that in the bounty hunt report it registers number of kills and overall payouts -but not transactions/hand ins. Is it transactions, kills or overall payouts that effect the lockdown bucket?

Control of a property can only be transferred through conflicts of War, Civil War or Elections.

You need to have that owner somehow start a conflict with the faction you want to own that and beat them out.

mia389 · Apr 10, 2017

From my experience massacre missions do contribute to influence in war. When our faction gets MM, we dominate the war. If the other faction gets them and we don't , we get crushed! (we only hand in combat bonds) When both sides get MM the war can be close depending on how many players are actively against us on the other side.

I suspect the other war related missions would contribute but have no direct experience with that.

Limoncello Lizard · Apr 10, 2017

ShimEnki said:
Say your preferred MF has control of the main station and has a huge lead in influence in the other stations but not control.

Can one increase their influence past a certain % to trigger war or do you have to slave for the other faction to increase theirs and lower yours to trigger that war?

I think it's possible now to force a faction that owns an asset to retreat, its assets then go to the controlling faction. Not easy to do and wont work for native factions.

mia389 · Apr 10, 2017

On another note,

Why doesn't the BGS get its own sub forum? Finding things in a thread 400+ gets cumbersome. Not to mention out of date.

MottiKhan · Apr 10, 2017

mia389 said:
On another note,

Why doesn't the BGS get its own sub forum? Finding things in a thread 400+ gets cumbersome. Not to mention out of date.

We asked for it and the response was that they don't like the idea. Later, they said they might consider putting one up in the Lore and Fiction section. I think it would be better to have nothing than one in the Lore and Fiction section.

ShimEnki · Apr 10, 2017

Starwolfe said:
Control of a property can only be transferred through conflicts of War, Civil War or Elections.

You need to have that owner somehow start a conflict with the faction you want to own that and beat them out.

Ah, I think I just answered it. If I run my MF up through the clouds its only going to constantly trigger expansion. So the only way to wage war is to reduce your frequency / value to the level of the one you want to war with. Kinda like IRL I guess

CMDR-AD · Apr 10, 2017

Starwolfe said:
Bounties only affect the influence in the system they are turned in normally.

Redeeming them in another system will help influence there when applicable.

When using a Low-Sec Interstellar contact or "sin dealer" you do not affect influence anywhere.

The reason they recommend using your own faction's ports is because Superpower bounties like Federation, Alliance or Empire boost the owner of the station they are turned in at, while specific Minor Faction bounties help the specific minor faction.

Okay, thanks. Then I've been doing OK handing in at the main station, so far, as all the factions involved are independent of the superpowers.

And just to double check that I've got the logic right... Suppose faction "XYZ Purple" has expanded into my home system, won an election, and now controls the main station in-system. Now that I am trying to reduce the influence of the "XYZ Purple" faction, I go out to a RES site and kill Wanted ships ONLY from the "XYZ Purple" faction? Then I hand the bounty claims back in that same system (even if the main station is controlled by "XYZ Purple").'

My hope in gathering bounties against ONLY the "XYZ Purple" faction is to focus any influence decreases on that specific faction. I never collect a bounty on my favorite local factions, nor on any non-favorites I happen to find, either.

Thanks again for the advice and this helpful thread.

Limoncello Lizard · Apr 10, 2017

CMDR-AD said:
And just to double check that I've got the logic right... Suppose faction "XYZ Purple" has expanded into my home system, won an election, and now controls the main station in-system. Now that I am trying to reduce the influence of the "XYZ Purple" faction, I go out to a RES site and kill Wanted ships ONLY from the "XYZ Purple" faction? Then I hand the bounty claims back in that same system (even if the main station is controlled by "XYZ Purple").'

The latest on this is that killing wanted ships won't reduce their faction's influence. Just killing the one faction will ensure that you don't damage your reputation with any other faction.

What you need to do is claim bounties from your faction. Either get them from another system that your faction controls, or use a kill warrant scanner. otherwise, any bounties you claim will only help the controlling faction - even if it's their ships you killed.

Starwolfe · Apr 10, 2017

mia389 said:
From my experience massacre missions do contribute to influence in war. When our faction gets MM, we dominate the war. If the other faction gets them and we don't , we get crushed! (we only hand in combat bonds) When both sides get MM the war can be close depending on how many players are actively against us on the other side.

I suspect the other war related missions would contribute but have no direct experience with that.

Combat Bonds turned in as a by-product of your faction handing out massacre missions is what is doing that.

Because you offer the missions people take them, and then hand in the missions plus bonds, leading you to dominate the war.

CMDR-AD · Apr 10, 2017

Limoncello Lizard said:
What you need to do is claim bounties from your faction. Either get them from another system that your faction controls, or use a kill warrant scanner. otherwise, any bounties you claim will only help the controlling faction - even if it's their ships you killed.

Thanks so much for the advice.

Can I ask for clarity's sake on a few words/ideas:

I need to claim bounties FROM my faction. What does "from" mean?

1. That the Wanted ships BELONG TO my faction? - Easy enough (and I had been doing this backwards by hunting enemy faction ships, if so!)

2. That the bounty was issued BY my faction (supposedly on ships belonging to ANY other faction?)? - How do I determine WHO issued the bounty on a Wanted ship?

3. Maybe means something else I don't understand?

I'm sorry to be such a noob at this, but after 1,500 hours I'm only just starting to touch this aspect of the BGS.